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03-12-2007, 11:07 AM
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Interesting Stats Daniel,
Where do you get your breakdown?
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From a minister on another forum who is a reliable inside man.
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03-12-2007, 11:10 AM
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From a minister on another forum who is a reliable inside man.
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Thanks,
Why do you think the Stats are that way?
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03-12-2007, 11:11 AM
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A more useful statistic would be the number and ages of NEW applications for license.
Which in the end will actually only give us an idea of how many people want a license.
There are preachers with no license, you know...
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03-12-2007, 11:13 AM
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Thanks,
Why do you think the Stats are that way?
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Nepotism and fear.
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03-12-2007, 11:14 AM
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A more useful statistic would be the number and ages of NEW applications for license.
Which in the end will actually only give us an idea of how many people want a license.
There are preachers with no license, you know...
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Yes, I know. I have no license and really don't want one.
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03-12-2007, 11:15 AM
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Nepotism and fear.
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03-12-2007, 11:15 AM
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Yes, I know. I have no license and really don't want one.
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You get a subscription to the Pentecostal Herald with a UPCI license! 
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03-12-2007, 11:24 AM
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I really dont think the problem is that young men aren't being called or responding. What is happening is that Pastors are not encouraging thier young men to get thier license as early.
I have a friend nearby who has 16 ministers (most are in thier teens and 20's) in his church and only 4 of them are licensed. He simply sees no need to be paying the dues of 12 extra men.
Another has 4 in his church and 2 are licensed.
There are a couple of reasons why this is happening, one is that only certain men can vote, and so young preachers, and thier Pastors see no reason to license men who cant vote anyway.
Dues are going up, ( 100.00 a month in Western District, plus national dues)
and why pay that when you can preach without it.
And with the instability and contreversies that are going on in the UPC right now, many feel that getting a license right now with the possibilty of leaving later would be dumb.
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03-12-2007, 11:24 AM
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I'll clarify later ... maybe.
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03-12-2007, 11:30 AM
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from a carnal perspective, which is what some only see, the kingdom of God doesn't pay bills like the world does....
if you aren't completely sold out to the Lord, you aren't going to be willing to sacrifice a nicer life to put up with some of the junk that pastors have to weekly put up with.... they will talk about how they "want to help the Kingdom of God" but will go to their 8-5 job, log their time, and come back to their nice 3 bedroom home with two-car garage....
they might even show up for all three church services, pay their tithes/ offerings and occasionally help with some ministry in the church....
ministry can lead to a sacrifice that many are not willing to pay....
jmho
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