Revoked Baptism? - Page 2

LadyChocolate · #11 03-12-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Yes ma'am... this is how I felt. I was going to ask a question in my last post to OP but, hoping you don't mind, I am going to use your post to ask the questions.

Does sin revoke baptism?
Ever?
How much sin does it take to revoke a baptism?
Do any of you pastors consider it a necessary thing to rebaptize people if they have been in sin for a number of years?

If pastors do, then they aren 't going to have a lot of time left on their hands.....

now, i don't have a problem with people who leave the fold and want to come back and get re baptized.... that is just something they feel they want to do and it's been done... but I don't think it is required... But i one does need to be refilled with the HolyGhost.... I don't believe in once saved always saved.... I would like to know the answer to the bolded question above.

mizpeh · #12 03-12-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Well I was totally blown away. I have NEVER heard anything like this being done.

To me... "Ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost has come upon you" We are instructed to repent and be baptized and then we would receive the Holy Ghost.

It seems to me that one does not possess the power over sin they need until they have received the Holy Ghost and most people repent and are baptized before they receive the Holy Ghost... Seems to me like the boy is in a catch 22.

It may not sound like it but I am open to hear some good reaoning on this but so far I can't see where this is a good thing.

The carnal mind is enmity against God... granted... It is not subject to the law of God... again... granted... but... neither indeed can it be.

The unregenerated mind cannot be subject to the law of God. It takes a new birth... to me at least.

I would definitely like to hear some additional thoughts on this.

Repentance will cause a person to turn away from sin. That's what repentance is. If this man knows fornication is a sin, then a truly repentant person will turn away from fornication. The Spirit of God is with the repentant person and is working in his life and that person will find grace to obey God's word. IMO

Digging4Truth · #13 03-12-2007, 09:07 AM

I also do not know the whole situation...

What I have told you is all he told me.

But... when people live together... people occupy the same house. This means that they either need to get married right away or they need to find other housing.

Finding additional housing takes time and they can sometimes find themselves in a situation where finding housing they can afford with one income rather than the 2 incomes they are accustomed to can be difficult.

What if they agreed to no longer have marital relationship?

If a man has a girlfriend but they do not live together would you question him on the level of their relationship before baptizing him?

freeatlast · #14 03-12-2007, 09:23 AM

[QUOTE=Digging4Truth;36425]I also do not know the whole situation...

What I have told you is all he told me.

But... when people live together... people occupy the same house. This means that they either need to get married right away or they need to find other housing.

Finding additional housing takes time and they can sometimes find themselves in a situation where finding housing they can afford with one income rather than the 2 incomes they are accustomed to can be difficult.

What if they agreed to no longer have marital relationship?

If a man has a girlfriend but they do not live together would you question him on the level of their relationship before baptizing him?[/QUOTE]

the problem you have addressed is one of a sexual nature.

Not are they living together but are they have sexual relations.

Can two live together without having sexual relations? Well...according to some surveys I have read, there are married folks, who live together without sharing the wedding bed anymore.

The other statemnet, which I've never heard before is that of baptism being revoked.

If a "dating coulple" in my church came to me to ask of baptism, and I knew they were sharing a bed.

If they stated that they would be continuing to share that bed, I would instruct them that they were not in fact ready for the commitment to the teaching s of Christ aht babtism represents if they were not in fact ready to make that same commitment to each other.

If sosmeone did baptize someone in this situation, it's not a question of their baptism being revoked.

It's thae fact that they are still in their sins, no different than a person continuing to tell lies after baptism. They just need to get right over the sin in their life, whatever type sin that is.

Lying cheating stealing or premarital sex...does'nt revoke a baptism. It just leaves something in your life you need to get straightened out.

Digging4Truth · #15 03-12-2007, 10:17 AM

Hopefully there will further comments on this subject but I would like to interject this...

If I were someone who refused baptism to someone who wanted to be baptized for whatever reason....

If I were right to do so per the word & spirit of God... that is one thing.

If I am wrong... DUDE.. I am SO very wrong.

I would hope with all that is in me that I weren't wrong on this one.

Ron · #16 03-12-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

We won't baptize anyone who is living in sin. We talk to them and if they agree to separate until marriage, then we would. But if they are planning to continue living together, then we don't. We have run into this several times in this new church. It's amazing how many people don't think it's a big deal anymore!

We do the same.
Why baptize to remit sin, if you are going to openly continue in it.

LadyChocolate · #17 03-12-2007, 10:53 AM

So, for those of us that still believe pants on a woman are wrong........do we make them get rid of their pants before we baptize them??????

I believe pants on a woman are for sure a sin....I'm not opening this up to be a questions of standards...I am using this for an example and not for this to lead to a thread hijacking...... there are others threads to discuss the pants issue

Old Paths · #18 03-12-2007, 10:58 AM

We have a 347 page single spaced notarized document that is required for anyone seeking water baptism.

J/K

Barb · #19 03-12-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

So, for those of us that still believe pants on a woman are wrong........do we make them get rid of their pants before we baptize them??????

I believe pants on a woman are for sure a sin....I'm not opening this up to be a questions of standards...I am using this for an example and not for this to lead to a thread hijacking...... there are others threads to discuss the pants issue

No, I was wondering the same thing...if earrings are wrong, do we make a woman remove them?!

Like the Chocolateperson, I'm not nitpicking, but asking...

Barb · #20 03-12-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Paths

We have a 347 page single spaced notarized document that is required for anyone seeking water baptism.

J/K

LOL!!