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Old 03-10-2007, 12:43 PM
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The content on the link that BOOM posted was very good - and troublesome.

1. No accountability
2. He chose his legacy (ministry) above family
3. Totalitarian
4. Seclusionist
5. Broke down the Divine order for the family within his followers
6. Manipulative

Jim Jones was similar to other charismatic leaders of that age in that he preached social justice, equality, and giving that emaciatied the giver's finances.

He was different in that he wasn't a bible fundamentalist. He demanded followers adhere to extrabiblical commandments.

Be careful what leadeship you place yourself under.
PP I agree with you 100%. This is the second time int eh last couple of days.

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Old 03-10-2007, 01:32 PM
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I know very much about Jim Jones. He came through Bristol, Conn when I was a small child in 1968. My Dad was pastoring a UPCI church. In 1960 my dad was pastor of a Assembly of God Church in Bristol.

He had the occasion of meeting Jim Jones at a service at a church in the area.

Jim Jones was never Oneness. His only association with a Pentecostal church is listed within this account.

Who knows what the story might have been if the ministers and the board of this church might have taken him under their arms of protection.

In September of 1954, Jones was invited to preach at the Laurel Street Tabernacle in Indianapolis, Indiana, an Assemblies of God church within the Pentecostal tradition (Hall 1987: 42). Although Jones’ charismatic style drew new members to the church, the administrative board felt threatened by the popular preacher’s inclusion of African Americans in his message and in his service. Faced with the choice of changing his message or leaving the church, Jones decided to form a new church with several members from the Tabernacle who appreciated his commitment to social justice for poor and working class people of all races. On 4 April 1955, the small group incorporated the Wings of Deliverance; a year later, they re-incorporated and renamed their organization Peoples Temple (Hall 1987: 43).

I could share so much about the last day of Jim Jones. I will see if I can gather that info together. There is a link where you can read the transcript.

You can also hear the audio as he prepares to die.

He taped everything. His thought was in keeping his words alive he was then a god...
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I have never heard of this affiliation or connection to the UPCI. I have done a lot of research on JJ.

I have heard of his affiliation with Father Divine.
Unless MY info is incorrect, JJ was most definitely Oneness and UPCI...why would Bro. Urshan and the elders go to see him if he weren't?!
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Old 03-10-2007, 01:32 PM
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I wonder how many others have the spirit of Jim Jones????????? Be careful who you follow...
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Old 03-10-2007, 01:52 PM
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I wonder how many others have the spirit of Jim Jones????????? Be careful who you follow...
Do you think he turned into some kind spirit being that possesses people?
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Old 03-10-2007, 02:11 PM
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no, I do not but I have seen some leaders think they were gods...
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Old 03-10-2007, 02:21 PM
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no, I do not but I have seen some leaders think they were gods...
that lord it over people....
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Old 03-10-2007, 03:07 PM
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leaders should lead their people not drive them. I have seen people that had a fear of their leader. We need more "Jesus like" leaders.
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Old 03-10-2007, 03:27 PM
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Unless MY info is incorrect, JJ was most definitely Oneness and UPCI...why would Bro. Urshan and the elders go to see him if he weren't?!
I know the churches he left behind in Northern California are Independant Trinitarian and he visited AOG churches.

The Siberian Seven were not Oneness and they went to visit them also.
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Unless MY info is incorrect, JJ was most definitely Oneness and UPCI...why would Bro. Urshan and the elders go to see him if he weren't?!
I don't know about oneness, but he never was UPCI.
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I know the churches he left behind in Northern California are Independant Trinitarian and he visited AOG churches.

The Siberian Seven were not Oneness and they went to visit them also.
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I don't know about oneness, but he never was UPCI.
Well, I've been wrong before, Saints...once or twice anyway.

I'm just reporting it as I remember it from 1970something...I am certain about Bro. Urshan and the elders though...remember that verbatim because JJ's answer struck me so.

I will do some further investigating...FB's from that area...maybe she has some info for us...
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