sins remitted at baptism? or...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I was speaking of his opinion here and in Acts 2:38.

Forget his opinion though. This is a greek scholar saying that both verses can grammatically support the essentiality of baptism for salvation....he does not color that being against baptism for salvation. That is what is interesting

[Michael The Disciple]

Somehow there must be remission of sins in BOTH repentance and water baptism. Someone now tell us how.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Forget his opinion though. This is a greek scholar saying that both verses can grammatically support the essentiality of baptism for salvation....he does not color that being against baptism for salvation. That is what is interesting

Well, to paraphrase a great preacher, Bro. Bill Clinton, "it just depends on what the meaning of the word for is."

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Somehow there must be remission of sins in BOTH repentance and water baptism. Someone now tell us how.

Baptism will ONLY remit the past sins of the repented. One without the other is useless.

[ChristopherHall]

I believe that there is a multifaceted process taking place. We know that one is justified by faith alone. When one repents in true faith they are justified before God (justification). Being justified they can receive the Holy Ghost. When one is baptized in Jesus name their sins are officially forgiven and they are washed clean. This is the first step in "sanctification". It's an act of obedience. Once one has taken upon themselves the name of the Lord in baptism and has been born again of the Spirit they are now recipients of "adoption"; now they are a child of God.

Justification (Repentance)
Sanctification (Baptism)
Adoption (Repentance + Water Baptism & Spirit Baptism)

Some are justified but not fully sanctified. Therefore their adoption is incomplete.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I believe that there is a multifaceted process taking place. We know that one is justified by faith alone. When one repents in true faith they are justified before God (justification). Being justified they can receive the Holy Ghost. When one is baptized in Jesus name their sins are officially forgiven and they are washed clean. This is the first step in "sanctification". It's an act of obedience. Once one has taken upon themselves the name of the Lord in baptism and has been born again of the Spirit they are now recipients of "adoption"; now they are a child of God.

Justification (Repentance)
Sanctification (Baptism)
Adoption (Repentance + Water Baptism & Spirit Baptism)

Some are justified but not fully sanctified. Therefore their adoption is incomplete.

Bro. Hall I just cannot see how anyone is justified without recieving remission of sins which in the NT ONLY occurs in baptism in Jesus Name. Dan and myself went round and round over this. I think repentance and baptism justifies a man through the Spirit.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I believe that there is a multifaceted process taking place. We know that one is justified by faith alone. When one repents in true faith they are justified before God (justification). Being justified they can receive the Holy Ghost. When one is baptized in Jesus name their sins are officially forgiven and they are washed clean. This is the first step in "sanctification". It's an act of obedience. Once one has taken upon themselves the name of the Lord in baptism and has been born again of the Spirit they are now recipients of "adoption"; now they are a child of God.

Justification (Repentance)
Sanctification (Baptism)
Adoption (Repentance + Water Baptism & Spirit Baptism)

Some are justified but not fully sanctified. Therefore their adoption is incomplete.

Being justified one can receive the Holy Ghost... and die before baptism in water, and go to hell!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Bro. Hall I just cannot see how anyone is justified without recieving remission of sins which in the NT ONLY occurs in baptism in Jesus Name. Dan and myself went round and round over this. I think repentance and baptism justifies a man through the Spirit.

We may disagree when both remission and justification happen ... but we do agree that they must happen simultaneously ... together ... hand in hand.

Can Hall please support his position that we are "SANCTIFIED" at baptism.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

We may disagree when both remission and justification happen ... but we do agree that they must happen simultaneously ... together ... hand in hand.

Can Hall please support his position that we are "SANCTIFIED" at baptism.

I do believe baptism has a role in sanctification as repentance and the HGB does and walking with God.
We are sanctified by the word. Jn.17:17, Eph.5:26