What does having the Holy Spirit mean? - Page 2

ManOfWord · #11 03-07-2007, 06:13 PM

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Fast/ Repent again/ see if you can make yourself rightoues enough for God to accept you.

I agree with you FAL. I believe the above teaching is heresy.

J-Roc · #12 03-07-2007, 06:17 PM

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I have heard every excuse why these people "can't" have the Spirit, but the fruit remains and Jesus stated that the believers would be known by their fruits.

Did you ever hear the excuse that they are supposedly "friends of the bride"?

Where did they come up with that one?

ManOfWord · #13 03-07-2007, 06:20 PM

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Did you ever hear the excuse that they are supposedly "friends of the bride"?

Where did they come up with that one?

S.G. Norris, founder of ABI. (He may not be the originator, but he taught it)

J-Roc · #14 03-07-2007, 06:22 PM

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S.G. Norris, founder of ABI. (He may not be the originator, but he taught it)

I know Urshan (the dad) believed this...

freeatlast · #15 03-07-2007, 06:34 PM

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Did you ever hear the excuse that they are supposedly "friends of the bride"?

Where did they come up with that one?

Understand slavation for what it is, and you won't need foolishness like "friends of the bride" or "The wicked the rightoeuous and the holy doctrine", to explain why you think someone may not be lost if they have not spoke in tongues.

MrsMcD · #16 03-07-2007, 06:57 PM

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Carp, what you have posted here is the deal in a nutshell.

The "evidence doctrine" (ED) as an exclusivity of the Spirit of Christ in the believer, would be all well and good.........if it fit reality. However, it doesn't and that is the fly in the ointment.

Those who preach the "ED", like I used to with a passion, must ignore or not be around those who exhibit the fruit of the spirit and have given their lives to Jesus Christ. I have heard every excuse why these people "can't" have the Spirit, but the fruit remains and Jesus stated that the believers would be known by their fruits.

If reality doesn't fit my interpretation of the scripture, then I need to re-examine my interpretation. Just like the "word of faith" teaching that you get what you claim by faith in regards to healing. Sounds good, but it doesn't fit reality. If it did, those churches would be packed and miracles would be happening by the thousands and thousands.

Carp, I have observed the same things you mention here, If people exhibit the all the fruit of the spirit just like those who speak with tongues with the exception of tongues, than how does that happen? Once again, we can't ignore reality.

The "ED" also puts godly people, martyred people, loving people, sacrificial people who have given thier lives unreservedly in hell. Sorry, that doesn't fit with reality in my world and I don't think it does in Jesus' world either.

If you were witnessing to someone that had the fruits of the spirit, would you tell them that they needed the holy spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues also?

#17 03-07-2007, 07:35 PM

There are all kinds of people in the world that display fruits of the Spirit and all kinds of people in the church that do not. What does this tell us?

Jesus taught that even the world "AGAPES" their own.

Just because you see some fruit here and there doesn't indicate the evidence of the Spirit, though the Spirit will bear these fruits and certainly more completely and abundantly, even towards those that oppose them.

Ac 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Where is the mention of the fruits?

Fruits are not the evidence, rather the cultivated results that are amplified.

I know of Anabaptist groups that excel at displaying these fruits, until you mention speaking in tongues. Some of them claim that it is of the devil as they pass you the bread and butter with a charming smile.

You have to boycott a great deal of scripture to come up with that. It also borders on blasphemy of the Spirit at the very least. Still, there they are with their fruits, and they say the same thing, that their fruits are their evidence of the Spirit.

Coonskinner · #18 03-07-2007, 10:20 PM

Peace...joy...goodness...meekness...the list goes on.

There are Hindus and Buddhists, as well as atheists that may display these traits.

But they are only the fruit of the Spirit if the Spirit is dwelling in the vessel.

You don't look at individuals and then twist your doctrine around to fit what you think you see; let God and His Word be true and every man a liar.

Ghandi was a nice fellow, but it wasn't the fruit of the Spirit.

J-Roc · #19 03-07-2007, 10:47 PM

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Peace...joy...goodness...meekness...the list goes on.

There are Hindus and Buddhists, as well as atheists that may display these traits.

But they are only the fruit of the Spirit if the Spirit is dwelling in the vessel.

You don't look at individuals and then twist your doctrine around to fit what you think you see; let God and His Word be true and every man a liar.

Ghandi was a nice fellow, but it wasn't the fruit of the Spirit.

Wrong! None of them claim their faith is in Christ...but when you couple your faith with the good deeds and right attitude...there you have the Holy Spirit at work.

Coonskinner · #20 03-07-2007, 10:54 PM

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Wrong! None of them claim their faith is in Christ...but when you couple your faith with the good deeds and right attitude...there you have the Holy Spirit at work.

I can claim all i want to, but if I don't have an authentic, New Testament, book of Acts esperience, I am just whistling Dixie.