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11-28-2007, 03:03 PM
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Ah it's all just a slippery slope!
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11-28-2007, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pelathais
His analogy of still being an American despite laws that he doesn't agree with is inspired. It's so plainly seen, yet I haven't heard anyone say that before in the context of Res. 4.
Brother Travis is a good man who seems to have his priorities in order. And I say that despite the fact that I disagree with him on some points. But he's one of those guys whose foundation is secured and he doesn't seem to be amazed when people disagree with him. He just points back to the rock that we're all clinging to.
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Pulls the rug right out from under the others "reasoning".
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11-28-2007, 03:04 PM
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Ah it's all just a slippery slope!
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Ah, it's the Grinch which has something to do with Christmas which some feel is pagan!!!!
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11-28-2007, 03:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pelathais
His analogy of still being an American despite laws that he doesn't agree with is inspired. It's so plainly seen, yet I haven't heard anyone say that before in the context of Res. 4.
Brother Travis is a good man who seems to have his priorities in order. And I say that despite the fact that I disagree with him on some points. But he's one of those guys whose foundation is secured and he doesn't seem to be amazed when people disagree with him. He just points back to the rock that we're all clinging to.
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This a letter I wrote some time ago in another venue regarding this issue:
I too wanted to weigh in on the subject raised by the writer of this letter. I am getting so tired of being stereotyped by those who have left the organization or have issues with it.
The idea that any one group of people has entirely the same mentality and spirit is not only stupid, but laughable. I live in a town that has four UPC churches, and 36 Jesus name churches. In that group, I would wager (if I gambled, of course) that there are not two of these churches that have exactly the same standards and practices. And in the individual churches, I would also wager that there are saints that don’t fully agree on every subject. I know on a personal level, I happen to feel that I belong to the best church out of that bunch, yet I also do not agree with everything that goes on in my church.
This is the way of every organization of individual people, everywhere. The most broad example would be the United States of America. Within this country lies every spectrum of belief and behavior. If I acted on my feelings of disgust and rage on the things that people that I disagree with politically are doing, I would really have no other choice than to give up on America and move to another country. The problem with that scenario is the hard truth, a quote that someone very close to me has used repeatedly over the years, “People are pitiful, and we are all people.” People will be wherever I go, and I will never agree with all of them.
To paint all Pentecostals with the same brush, because some have acted hatefully, foolishly, or dressed in a way that you personally don’t agree with, just doesn’t make any sense. There are good people and bad people wherever you go, even in the church.
I recently had a very good friend of mine (who has left the UPC very bitter) tell me, “You are the most Christian person that I’ve ever known in the UPC.” I thought this was a tragic statement on several levels—one: that the church had wounded him so, two: that he had allowed himself to become wounded by stupid people, and three: that this otherwise intelligent, educated man would group an organization of thousands of people and judge them based on the actions of 20 or 30 people.
I guess what I am trying to say is (especially as “Christians”), can’t we all just get along?
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11-28-2007, 03:06 PM
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Herein lies the difference .... RevBuddy.
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11-28-2007, 03:07 PM
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I am not UPC, and left UPC over three years ago. But Travis' statement is the best I've seen yet in all the posts about the ISSUE of late.
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11-28-2007, 03:09 PM
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I love the baseball metaphor!
I guess he missed that part of the AOF?
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11-28-2007, 03:09 PM
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mfblume and Dan...
Exactly!! Here is a TRUE man of integrity...not just because he doesn't leave the organization over this issue, but BECAUSE he is capable of balancing issues versus fellowship...
I agree. Brother Travis addresses the issue and controvery ably and with exceptional wisdom.
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11-28-2007, 03:11 PM
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I love the baseball metaphor!
I guess he missed that part of the AOF?
LOL
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Yes, that reminded me of Timlan.
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11-28-2007, 03:12 PM
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I have had many conversations, phone calls, and e-mails regarding Resolution No. 4. It is a sad truth that some are falling for Satan's trap of blaming others for the confusion - the first strategy that he used on the human race. Blaming others is not the solution to the problem, but merely complicates it.
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Can I get an OUCH????!!!!
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