Why shouldn't I vote for Obama?? - Page 2

Praxeas · #11 02-09-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FRINGE_NUTTER

I think some of the links from that page have been removed. I don't doubt that the man would be more sympathetic to Islamic people than Hillary or McCain. I am not happy with voting with any of the three. When Huckabee is eliminated, there is not much of a choice. If I vote I will vote for McCain very unwillingly.

Some of the quotes were clearly taken out of context. The others mean nothing. His father and step father were Muslims...big deal.

ChristopherHall · #12 02-09-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

My opinion is it is best not to vote...but of course few think like I do...fewer yet have lived in countries such as I have lived in...I saw enough Muslims in the Philippines and there are lots of them in Brazil. Why would you vote as a christian for a man that does not believe the Bible to be God´s word?

Sis Alvear, with all do respect, Obama is a Christian and has attended a Christian church for years. Here is a picture of Obama being sworn in by Vice President Dick Cheney...on the Obama family Bible,

As Christians we are bound to hold to truth, not rumor, not prejudice (Not that you're prejudiced, but many hear his name and assume he's not a Christian). I'm just saying that it is of the utmost importance that we be honest about people.

Now, with regards to the election I see it this way. Obama and Hillary are Liberals and they are honest about being liberals. McCain has never been regarded by the Republican party as a true conservative and has often bragged about his moderate maverick politics. Now he's pretending to be a solid Conservative, and interestingly most conservatives are not supporting him. So the choice is between a person who is a liberal and honest about it or a conservative who is lying about being a conservative. I'm considering that it might be best to vote for the honest liberal, at least you know where they REALLY stand.

Just some of my thoughts.

Praxeas · #13 02-09-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

CP,

his church in Chicago pledges allegience to Africa.

this same church performs same sex cermemonies for gays.

trinity united church of christ - check out the beliefs of this denominations and tell me they are christian

his mother,in a radio interview slipped and told that Obama was baptized(or whatever their initiation is) as a muslim when he was a child. he went to catholic school for one year and uses that as a cover.

They are in doctrine like a lot of other protestant churches except for the afro-centric theme...where did you see that they perform same sex ceremonies?

Muslims baptize? And if they do, so what if he was baptized as a child. He never hides the fact that his father and step father were muslim and that he went to a muslim school for a short time?

StMark · #14 02-09-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Sis Alvear, with all do respect, Obama is a Christian and has attended a Christian church for years. Here is a picture of Obama being sworn in by Vice President Dick Cheney...on the Obama family Bible,

As Christians we are bound to hold to truth, not rumor, not prejudice (Not that you're prejudiced, but many hear his name and assume he's not a Christian). I'm just saying that it is of the utmost importance that we be honest about people.

Now, with regards to the election I see it this way. Obama and Hillary are Liberals and they are honest about being liberals. McCain has never been regarded by the Republican party as a true conservative and has often bragged about his moderate maverick politics. Now he's pretending to be a solid Conservative, and interestingly most conservatives are not supporting him. So the choice is between a person who is a liberal and honest about it or a conservative who is lying about being a conservative. I'm considering that it might be best to vote for the honest liberal, at least you know where they REALLY stand.

Just some of my thoughts.

That is nothing but a farce and a front!!!!!

He did that to gain future votes is all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FRINGE_NUTTER · #15 02-09-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Some of the quotes were clearly taken out of context. The others mean nothing. His father and step father were Muslims...big deal.

Yes, it could be a deal. If your father and step father were Muslims, it could be a big deal on how you view the world. Also, the quotes were in the book out of context or not out of context. I think we should study his books, his record and how the man thinks before jumping in to vote for him. What has he done for America? Making an inspiring speech and rallying people to his cause does not make a good leader or a good president. It makes him a good speaker and a good campaigner. That's all.

ChicagoPastor · #16 02-09-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Sis Alvear, with all do respect, Obama is a Christian and has attended a Christian church for years. Here is a picture of Obama being sworn in by Vice President Dick Cheney...on the Obama family Bible,

As Christians we are bound to hold to truth, not rumor, not prejudice (Not that you're prejudiced, but many hear his name and assume he's not a Christian). I'm just saying that it is of the utmost importance that we be honest about people.

Now, with regards to the election I see it this way. Obama and Hillary are Liberals and they are honest about being liberals. McCain has never been regarded by the Republican party as a true conservative and has often bragged about his moderate maverick politics. Now he's pretending to be a solid Conservative, and interestingly most conservatives are not supporting him. So the choice is between a person who is a liberal and honest about it or a conservative who is lying about being a conservative. I'm considering that it might be best to vote for the honest liberal, at least you know where they REALLY stand.

Just some of my thoughts.

good point

so which 'honest liberal' do we vote for?

FRINGE_NUTTER · #17 02-09-2008, 10:54 PM

Some may vote for Hillary over Obama using this reason. I was told "better the devil you know than the devil you don't know" LOL

ChristopherHall · #18 02-09-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

CP,

his church in Chicago pledges allegience to Africa.

this same church performs same sex cermemonies for gays.

trinity united church of christ - check out the beliefs of this denominations and tell me they are christian

his mother,in a radio interview slipped and told that Obama was baptized(or whatever their initiation is) as a muslim when he was a child. he went to catholic school for one year and uses that as a cover.

TRUTH SQUAD

Scopes and FactCheck have already refuted the idea that Obama is a Muslim.

Here's where this logic fails. Islam sees homosexuality as a grave sin. Saudi Arabia currently executes any exposed homosexuals along with many other Muslim countries. A true Muslim wouldn't attend a Christian church...not to mention a Liberal Christian church. Obama is liberal in his opinions and political views, but he isn't a Muslim. And if he is really a Muslim, he'd have stronger values than any liberal on the ticket. So frankly I'm not sure what the point is.

The point is that this is a nasty and slanderous rumor at best...a lie at worst. We as Christians should stick to the truth. Obama is simply a Liberal Christian.

If indeed you heard Obama's own mother say these things in a radio interview, please tell me what radio network, what interviewer, and provide some evidence for time and place. I'd be willing to look into it and consider your claim.

StMark · #19 02-09-2008, 10:57 PM

CP our friendship depends on you NOT voting for him and I am a "D" ya know but I aint voting for no terrorist!!!!!!!! and don't you either. If you do don't ever contact me again

PS tune Christopher out- he's being an advocate of the enemy

chosenbyone · #20 02-09-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't believe Obama is a Muslim....What difference would it make since there's already been a Senator elected that is Muslim...why would he need to hide it? And why would he be hiding it since all these years before he even decided to go into politics.

On the other hand I don't doubt there might be some racism there given the church he goes to

Obama has never been a Muslim and all of the false information about him would leave one to think that perhaps they originated from fear and prejudice.

He has been a member of a very liberal African American Christian church, which celebrated their culture through various programs and performing arts. When I visited their website, I had never seen so many outreach ministries associated with one church. It became evident that they cared a lot for their community and those less fortunate in our society.

Here is the link to Obama's church: http://www.tucc.org/about.htm