STARTLING! LARRY BOOKER'S Latest Message!!!(wait til you see this!!!)

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Pastor Larry Booker 1971 and Today:

So this is Pelathais' deep, dark secret!

[Dora]

I just wonder how many of these guys were piled in hotel rooms and lobbies watching the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill confirmation debacle at General Conference???

[Dora]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I disagree with LB that the organization has taken a turn toward destruction. I think the organization will end up better.

I can’t imagine Wanda Phillips pleading with Tommy Craft about TV. If ministers are only advertising on TV, I don’t see what TV will take away from them. If anything, it will get the message out there that their church exist.

Hate to say it, but I think this was a complete fabrication IF the dear brother did hail this from the pulpit. Can't believe there is a tiny glimmer of truth to this statement.

[Dora]

I'm still wonder what's the "pay off?" Not a literal money pay-off, but where in the world is this kind of behavior getting them? Do they really think they are getting a leg up on holiness or in with a richer more prestigious group of ministers? More power? More personal accolades? A bigger mansion in heaven??? What is it???

[Enlightened]

Originally Posted by Dora

I'm still wonder what's the "pay off?" Not a literal money pay-off, but where in the world is this kind of behavior getting them? Do they really think they are getting a leg up on holiness or in with a richer more prestigious group of ministers? More power? More personal accolades? A bigger mansion in heaven??? What is it???

Mainly the idea of giving in, or allowing something that was once looked down upon, whether it be worldy or not is only giving ground to the evil/world and will lead to more concessions down the road. His message regarding the bean field merely was to point out that giving up this ground is giving in...no matter how small it may be.

Whether you agree with the standard or not, he's preaching from conviction, and like my father, a man of his convictions will not be swayed. Why question it? He's still a man of God and I respect him.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

Brother, I appreciate your sentiments, but unless you have lived and breathed the politics in CA, pastored and tried to fellowship in this district, you really have no idea what we have lived with.

Diz, I appreciate the fact that you have first hand experience with the political climate in CA, something I do not.

However, you do know that others are basing their opinions on their experiences with the men who will be founders of this new org...

Though not doubting you in the least, you can apppreciate I am sure that a lot of what some of us read here is foreign to us and not at all like the men we know.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

Here is my opinion....

-I do not think the UPC is headed for destruction. I think it is wishful thinking of a few.

-I think he is speaking evangelistically when he says many ministers are upset. Let the final numbers speak for themselves.

The UPC as it seems to be heading, toward a certain split seems to be on shaky ground. Are fellowships strong? Absolutely. Are doctrines and local church governments solid? They are in place, being preached, and stable, whether in the UPC Boat or not.

The UPC as a thriving organization is facing a very uncertain future. The economics alone along with the exodus of ministers, missionaries, church/district fellowships are in the air. To give any guess of numbers whether supporting or not supporting whether leaving or staying would be erroneous and ignorant on both sides. NO ONE KNOWS what will be happening over the next year. One's opinion is as good as the next guy's or gal's. I definitely have my own. But anyone saying that there is numerical evidence supporting ANY outcome is grandiose.

Of the many ministers Bro. Booker has spoken with about this, I would have no doubt that many of them are upset. His fellowship of bretheren are those who would be upset with the result of this vote. Who are you to say this is evangelistical? Were you in on these discussions? Do you know final numbers?? You have a vote total, but, the margin of victory was less than 1.6% of the total voting population. Check the numbers? You would be wise to use another set of numbers when issuing this statement.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Dora

I'm still wonder what's the "pay off?" Not a literal money pay-off, but where in the world is this kind of behavior getting them? Do they really think they are getting a leg up on holiness or in with a richer more prestigious group of ministers? More power? More personal accolades? A bigger mansion in heaven??? What is it???

Can there be NO payoff?? Why will non members of an organization begrudge the members of that organization of its beliefs?

I see no one railing against the Masons, the Elks, or the Eagles for their little secret laws. I don't care what they do...why do the UPC exes care?

[HangingOut]

For the sake of redundancy, I would like to put a few cents worth in after listening to L. Booker’s “Bean Patch” message. Like a lot of you, I have had years of experience in both camps con and mod. I have to be perfectly honest when I say that the struggles with attitude and spirit are pretty equal. I know that LB is as sincere a man as can be in preserving the standards, but what I have observed and feel I have learned is that no matter where you set that bar, it doesn’t do that much for the sake of the individual but becomes more of something that labels the body as such. It certainly allows for a better way of keeping things shored up, but doesn’t make it any less likely to fall than the lesser stand.
The message had several areas begging for question, especially about the MH and KP departure. MH’s problems where issues unrelated to TV and KP has not done too bad from what I know in terms of growth. So for all the doom predicted, I didn’t hear any scenarios that depicted where the TV advertising might be in the near future. It was more an emotional plea at best.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Buffy

A friend of mine pastors a UPC church in one state, His father is a licensed minister in another state. The father told his son that he is leave the org and that if he(his son) did not that was the end of their relationship. Now, you can't tell me the father is in the right! Mark3:25 "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
These men that are "leaving" are doing more harm than good, especially if it is splitting families!

Buffy,


90% percent of the posters here will think you are making this up (been there many times). count me in the 10% that believes you.
we've witessed churches being publically disfellowshipped and the members told not to even greet the members from the neighboring church. thing is , they were BOTH UPC.