A Word About Drinking, Drunks, and Those Who Rejoice in Their Sin

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Balance ... is provided not in legislating what is extrabiblical ... it comes in teaching the Word and the Holy Spirit that indwells the believer.

It's non-traditional PP ... for today's church to act like alcoholic consumption is prohibited by scripture or that wine was some how Welch's grape juice ....

Your arguments are used by the anti-tv crowd .... just w/ another medium.

Drunkenness is a sin. Preaching against it is not extrabiblical.

James Griffin pointed out that "impairment" is what the courts look to prosecute. Many people think they are fine to drive after "just a few" or what they would call "moderation," but they are often severely impaired without knowing it.

You are advocating an "every man does that which is right in his own eyes" approach.

Look at biblical principle, instead.

Look at the effects of drunkenness in the bible.

Lot = incest, and sons born of he and his daughters.
Noah = the curse of Ham.
Israel at Sinai = orgy and idolatry.

I could go on.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

It did not have to take time to ferment...he turned into wine NOT grapejuice.

The guests were allready well drunk when it was served.

Please Easty go read Deut 14:26 and then tell me that God commanded Israel to never partake of anything fermented.

He told them to in fact buy meat and wine and other fermented drink and to eat befor the Lord ad to rejoice,

I'm not saying that some of the wine in the bible didn't have alcohol in it, I'm trying to find out if ALL wine ever mentioned in the bible had wine in it. Try not to read into anything that I'm saying. Some people will try and justify drinking wine because Jesus turned h2o into wine.

[Encryptus]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Randy, I have one problem w/that. When Jesus turned the water into wine, it did not have a chance to ferment. Also, when we drink grape juice, it is the same as drinking wine w/out the alcohol of course. So it is entirely possible that drinking wine did not always include the alcohol.

Do you think Welch's grape juice is what was served at the wedding that saved best for last?

Do you think a church which serves actual wine instead of grape juice for communion sins?

[Nahum]

Look, it was real wine.

Period.

But that does not excuse drunkenness, which is a sin.

Glorifying it is wrong.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Do you think Welch's grape juice is what was served at the wedding that saved best for last?

Do you think a church which serves actual wine instead of grape juice for communion sins?

No to both of your questions. But wine wasn't called grapejuice in bible days.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I'm not saying that some of the wine in the bible didn't have alcohol in it, I'm trying to find out if ALL wine ever mentioned in the bible had wine in it. Try not to read into anything that I'm saying. Some people will try and justify drinking wine because Jesus turned h2o into wine.

Sounded that way to me..that's the typical response from evangelicals that want to prove" the bible condemns all use of alcohol.

I do not condone or promote getting drunk. but i do not condone or promote saying the bible says something it does not say.

You don't have to twist the scripture to preach against drunkeness. That is clear as the fact that there was alcohol in use amongst Isreal and it was condoned and blessed by their God.

[MissBrattified]

Here's a thought: Is laughing about drunkenness and talking about the "good ol' days", and various experiences the same as laughing and joking about adultery or fornication?

Should we make light of such things? I'm not offended by intelligent conversation. I'm offended when sin is made to be a laughing matter, or into something trivial...perhaps treated as if it is essentially harmless, when it never is. I'm offended when those who hold certain convictions for both Biblical and personal reasons are ridiculed.

Normally I can discuss this topic quite rationally. Today isn't my day, apparently.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Sounded that way to me..that's the typical response from evangelicals that want to prove" the bible condemns all use of alcohol.

I do not condone or promote getting drunk. but i do not condone or promote saying the bible says something it does not say.

You don't have to twist the scripture to preach against drunkeness. That is clear as the fact that there was alcohol in use amongst Isreal and it was condoned and blessed by their God.

It sounded that way to you because of a question I was asking Dan to clarify something. If people wouldn't turn the conversation, you nor anyone else would've misrepresented what I was trying to find out.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Here's a thought: Is laughing about drunkenness and talking about the "good ol' days", and various experiences the same as laughing and joking about adultery or fornication?

Should we make light of such things? I'm not offended by intelligent conversation. I'm offended when sin is made to be a laughing matter, or into something trivial...perhaps treated as if it is essentially harmless, when it never is. I'm offended when those who hold certain convictions for both Biblical and personal reasons are ridiculed.

Normally I can discuss this topic quite rationally. Today isn't my day, apparently.

You're doing fine.

[RandyWayne]

I understood what you were asking Bro.... I hoped I tried to answer it correctly.