Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen?

[TRIPLE E]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

That avatar is down right scary!

Thanks it was just taken recently with a couple minor adjustments. You should have seen it before the adjustments.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by TRIPLE E

Never heard tell of a Bernadian PAJCer heard of Canadian PAJC'ers though.

The 3 PAJCer views are outlined in post 1.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The 3 PAJCer views are outlined in post 1.

The MAIN thing is we ALL agree NO one has NT salvation outside of obeying Acts 2:38.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The MAIN thing is we ALL agree NO one has NT salvation outside of obeying Acts 2:38.

Yeah, what he said!!!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The MAIN thing is we ALL agree NO one has NT salvation outside of obeying Acts 2:38.

If you can't agree on when Justification takes place then I'm not sure if you on the same page at all. IMHO

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Are there any hard line PAJCers that believe justification is not complete until all the 3 steps are completed with remission occurring at baptism??

We haven't head from any Bernadian PAJCers ... any takers???

In I Corinthians 6:9-10 Paul listed ten categories of unrighteous people who will not inherit the kingdom of God. He continued: "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God" (I Corinthians 6:11).

I don't know if I'm a hard-line PAJCer but all scripture has to fit together. Are we justified by faith alone or are we justified by the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God? I don't think it is either or the other. The quote from Bernard's book left out the verses on justification by faith and I haven't read his book so I don't know his view on those verses, but it doesn't matter.

Honestly, I think a harmony of the verses on justification will bring us to the truth. IMO

[Truthseeker]

If remission of sins is at baptism, how did the gentiles in acts10 get the infilling of the Spirit before baptism???

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

If you can't agree on when Justification takes place then I'm not sure if you on the same page at all. IMHO

Justification in and of itself is not salvation.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Justification in and of itself is not salvation.

This really is the dividing point. Some see justification equaling salvation, while others do not.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Justification in and of itself is not salvation.

I agree ... our salvation is not complete until each of us hear “'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your Lord”