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Old 12-05-2007, 10:09 PM
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Old 12-05-2007, 10:15 PM
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Old 12-05-2007, 10:16 PM
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I've been accused of being perceptive!
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Old 12-05-2007, 10:30 PM
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I am doing pretty well, Brother.

BTW, I tell my young preachers that if they can't build a bridge from whatever they are preaching to the New Birth, they need to get another message.
Ahhh, yes...the old sermon...

Cry a river, Build a Bridge, and Get over it.

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Old 12-05-2007, 10:38 PM
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That's good. I tell my young ministers that if they can't build a bridge of relationships then they can forget about sharing the message of the New Birth.

You know, we can play back and forth all night long, but here's the deal...

I'm all about being kind to folks...I think I passed a critical point in the winning of a trinitarian guy tonight. I have been visiting his mother in the nursing home, when her AoG pastor was too busy. She died and I was late getting to my own service because I spent some time at the funeral home with the family.

He has decided he wants to start attending our church.

But at the end of the day, we can be everybody's buddy, but if they aren't baptized in jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost, they're dead in trespasses and sins, and bound for the Lake of Fire.
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Me too.
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Old 12-05-2007, 10:54 PM
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So then, you've heard of the two prophets talking to each other. The first prophet looks at the other and says, "You're fine. How am I?"
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Old 12-05-2007, 10:57 PM
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So then, you've heard of the two prophets talking to each other. The first prophet looks at the other and says, "You're fine. How am I?"

Is that an example of you and Randy chatting?
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:18 PM
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I rest my case. I've been saying legalists are dabbling in witchcraft.

My father and father in law are conservatives and both of them at different times told my the great falling away will be from folks with legalists influences. Rather interesting concept.

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Paul said, they fell from grace, Isaiah said, they fell backwards; both are terrifying statements!

Where is a person, if they have fallen backwards, fallen from grace, and Christ is of no effect in their life? Could it mean that they are lost?


There is a group of ministers in the church that call themselves "conservative," while we would call them "ultra-conservative." Will you consider for a moment that they may not be Christ-like in their views or actions? Could they be back under the law, fallen from grace and not aware that they have lost their blood covering; might they be bewitched? The word of God has become to them rule upon rule, a list of do's and don'ts. When they stand before God will they have to give answer for why they mocked the power of the blood? Will they also be stunned into a terrified silence when they learn that because they embraced "one law" they will now have to give an answer for every law?


When I read Gal 5:4 something very strange happened to me, I saw a diagram like the second one pictured below. The first diagram is the way I had always seen Pentecost, I believed that you were either blind (meaning that you did not see the light of truth) or you were given enough insight by the spirit to see the truth and you belonged on the blood covered platform. I was taught to believe that if you were blood covered then you belonged in one of these four categories, Liberal, moderate, conservative, or ultra- conservative. I had always believed that if you were blood covered then you were on a higher level spiritually than the blind.






When I read the following statement, "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you," (Gal 3:1 KJV) The diagram below came to my mind and has not changed since that time.




The Ultraconservative group fell away from the blood-stained-grace- platform and became lost again by stumbling back under the law. What terrifies me is, most ministers deceived by this spirit never feel a falling sensation or the thud when they crash into the lower bewitched platform. They do not realize that they have changed spirits!


Paul went on to declare, "This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Gal 3:2 -3)


Paul also said, "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. "The Law" (Gal 3:25 ) "But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?" (Gal 4:9 ) And from the NIV "I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you." (Gal 4:11 )

When Paul said, "ye desire again to be in bondage" it brings the wilderness wonderings of the children of Israel to mind. They longed to go back to Egypt. This is another anticipatory model of the law-Vs-blood-"Perfect Storm." There are many warnings laced throughout scriptures, warning us of a terrible snare that would leave us at best, bound, and at the worst, lost.
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:20 PM
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Randy's is on target. Legalism is the last demonic stronghold the church has to overcome.

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Right before a wheel comes off, you generally hear the bearing squealing.

Randy is squealing.
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