It will take force of arms to remain free.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Please tell all of this to the unarmed citizens that brought the USSR to its knees.

What are you talking about? We aren't living in the late 80s and early 90s? 23 years the United States has changed drastically. David Aikman's book "When the Almond Tree Blossoms" in 1993 painted a picture of conservative capitalists against liberal socialists in a civil war in the United States. Where the United States is sectioned off with the two groups locked in a battle of force of arms to gain control. Remain free? You think Russians are free? Honestly I didn't know you had such knowledge of freedom in Russia? Are we more or less free than Russians are? My brother, I just don't think you really thought it all through. How It will take force of arms to remain free? Militias in different states making a coalition to fight the Federal Government? Meanwhile what will you do for money? How will you feed your family? Or should I say how will you protect your family?

Vladimir Putin said this concerning Greta Thunberg "No one has explained to Greta that the modern world is complex and different." Greta Thunberg is 16 years old, so naturally her world view is that of a child. But politically and economically she has not the foggiest idea where to begin or where to end. I find that when we have these discussions some people see themselves as Captain America leading the Avengers while waving the American flag wrapped in a Cross. The Constitution being prayed as a Psalmist's hymnal. My dear good brother, it's not that easy. If we lock and load to have regime change through rivers of blood, if the foundations of law and order have collapsed. What can the righteous do? Do you really believe that when the smoke clears you will still have the same constitution? The same Bill of Rights? Let's really get heart attack serious. What if you all lose? What if you don't stand as a the victor? Like Brother Esaias has said, you might have Jesus on your lips, and in your soul. But the rest of your compadres might have a totally different agenda that doesn't have Jesus in the equation.
Southerners who were defending their 10th Amendment rights all believed God was on their side. Matter of fact, both sides believed they were praying to God who were on their own respective sides. But, when the smoke cleared the South was finished, her freedoms were different. Let's run all the way to today. We aren't in the 1800s, or the 1990s, we are in 2020 hair's breath away from 21. Everything looks good on paper, or discussed over catfish at Cracker Barrell. But when we do this all in real time, and without the pillar of fire leading us? We end up deep in it. With everyone looking at you, and asking? What about the unarmed people of the USSR? All while everything is burning around them. But the unarmed people in the USSR didn't take a force of arms to change the USSR. It was economics that brought the USSR to its knees.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The unarmed citizens did not bring the USSR to its knees.

Apparently you do not understand what Glasnost and perestroika are/were all about.

But let's do tell that to the unarmed citizens of Czechoslovakia in 1968. Or Hungary 1957. Or the WW1 vets in 1932 Washington DC, USA.

Originalist, I understand where you're coming from. I'm just saying things aren't what they seem. There's a narrative being formed specifically for each side of a brewing conflict. It's being formed by an interest group that has plenty of experience playing this game and profiting off created conflicts. It would be a shame if you fell for playing a bit part in someone else's drama production.

The MAGA crowd doesn't have God on their side like they think they do. Anymore than the average conservative Protestant hard working family men did in 1932 Germany. "Winning" isn't always a win.

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.amazon.com/When-Almond-B.../dp/1940269938

[shag]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I doubt anyone in this group is going to take up arms and actually shoot at someone due to this election or for any other reason.

But duck hunting sounds like a great idea

Being a hunter, are you a member of the NRA?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by shag

Being a hunter, are you a member of the NRA?

NRAs organization is a bunch political fear mongering hacks

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

NRAs organization is a bunch political fear mongering hacks

Why?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Why?

They cause this fear party that says the democrats are going to take your guns, they’re going to take away your right to protect yourself.

What happens then....

The shelves go bare, the price skyrockets and the pockets of the NRA are filled.

I’m not saying it CANT happen, yet Obama had 2 years with complete majority all across, and no one took my weapons or ammunition. Even though Sandy Hook took place, that still didn’t cause anyone to take your guns.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

They cause this fear party that says the democrats are going to take your guns, they’re going to take away your right to protect yourself.

What happens then....

The shelves go bare, the price skyrockets and the pockets of the NRA are filled.

I’m not saying it CANT happen, yet Obama had 2 years with complete majority all across, and no one took my weapons or ammunition. Even though Sandy Hook took place, that still didn’t cause anyone to take your guns.

Nostradamus1968 the whole thing about gun confiscation, and gun bans is baloney? OK, America rest easy. The NRA is just trying to sell ammo.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

They cause this fear party that says the democrats are going to take your guns, they’re going to take away your right to protect yourself.

What happens then....

The shelves go bare, the price skyrockets and the pockets of the NRA are filled.

The NRA is a flawed organization for protecting our rights, but they're not wrong about the goobermint wanting to take them away.

And so far as gun sales go, you do know that the NRA does not - and has not - ever sold firearms, right? And the reason the shelves are bare is because millions of non-gun owners suddenly woke up to the realization that goobermint wasn't going to be there to protect them. It has nothing to do with NRA "fear mongering".

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Jito463

The NRA is a flawed organization for protecting our rights, but they're not wrong about the goobermint wanting to take them away.

And so far as gun sales go, you do know that the NRA does not - and has not - ever sold firearms, right? And the reason the shelves are bare is because millions of non-gun owners suddenly woke up to the realization that goobermint wasn't going to be there to protect them. It has nothing to do with NRA "fear mongering".

I understand the NRA doesn’t sell guns. Yet, much of their profit comes from Gun Manufacturers, so when sales are up... so is the NRAs pockets. I dont believe the gun sales are up because American suddenly woke up and realized that the government wants to confiscate their guns. I believe its a fear tactic used by the NRA and Gun manufacturers to use this theory that democrats want and will take your guns away. Like I said before, it could happen, yet its not a Democrat agenda.

I’m not saying this about you, but people on here will tell you not to believe the media, yet then they post links from the media. We trust the spirit, I still believe we follow the cloud in every decision we make. If they come and take our guns, fine. The spirit protects us....