What is the GOSPEL?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Your words do not match your actions. You are here with an agenda, trying to persuade anyone who will listen to understand your way of seeing things, are you not?

I use to think the same thing. But after trying to make sense of his posts and walking away shaking my head. I realized that no one could be influenced by his mess.

[shazeep]

I think a fairer characterization, EB, is the fuller one. Of course, you might ask a question if something is unclear;
but then, that puts you in a position you don't like too much, huh, Evangelist?

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Jesus is the Word made flesh. And the words of Jesus written in ink by men moved on by the Spirit of Jesus are the words that we have to know Him by. I didn't write those words, John did.

And if you have a problem with the fact that Jesus is the Word, then there is nothing I can say for you to see otherwise, and since you are not here to learn, but to teach (or something like that)... then I think this conversation is at a standstill.

Hebrews 1:1-3
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I use to think the same thing. But after trying to make sense of his posts and walking away shaking my head. I realized that no one could be influenced by his mess.

Originally Posted by shazeep

do you need directions for where the "ignore" button is, or how to scroll by? i did not say "hey K, come here, please." I did not quote you first, to get your attention. I merely breathed into the air, K. It takes a hearer to be persuaded. I seek to persuade no one, who does not have ears.

[shazeep]

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Originally Posted by shazeep

then this one should be easy; show me in the Book where what you accepted was the Truth

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501 c3 = 666?



Where's Hagee?

[shazeep]

Who needs Hagee? You can't see? You can't add? You add to the Word quickly enough, so..?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Who needs Hagee? You can't see? You can't add? You add to the Word quickly enough, so..?

Oh? It gets better?

Haggee would be proud. diSpENSATIONALISM at its best.

[KeptByTheWord]

Shaz, I wonder why you bother. You did, after all come here on this thread offering up your insight into the discussion of the gospel which seems to be something about Nehustan, a snake on a pole, and now the numbers 666.

Logically, there is no conclusion to draw about what you think you know, that we don't.

And then of course, when questioned about what you would tell someone asking you how to be saved, you say you would tell them to go find some hippies, and have nothing yourself to offer up to the searching heart. That in itself is telling.

If you don't have faith enough in what you believe to tell someone, why are you here trying to tell us what to do?

So then the question begs to be asked, why are you here? It doesn't matter what answer we give, or don't give, you are not satisfied, and continue to mumble jumble about a Nahustan snake on a pole, and now the 666 stuff.

Maybe you need to take a communication course or something to help you more concisely present your thoughts in a logical manner, instead of the vague "mumble jumble" that becomes almost incoherent at times, even to me, and I do try to listen and understand you.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Shaz, I wonder why you bother. You did, after all come here on this thread offering up your insight into the discussion of the gospel which seems to be something about Nehustan, a snake on a pole, and now the numbers 666.

Logically, there is no conclusion to draw about what you think you know, that we don't.

And then of course, when questioned about what you would tell someone asking you how to be saved, you say you would tell them to go find some hippies, and have nothing yourself to offer up to the searching heart. That in itself is telling.

If you don't have faith enough in what you believe to tell someone, why are you here trying to tell us what to do?

So then the question begs to be asked, why are you here? It doesn't matter what answer we give, or don't give, you are not satisfied, and continue to mumble jumble about a Nahustan snake on a pole, and now the 666 stuff.

Maybe you need to take a communication course or something to help you more concisely present your thoughts in a logical manner, instead of the vague "mumble jumble" that becomes almost incoherent at times, even to me, and I do try to listen and understand you.

The drunk in the morning reference is an example of similar egotistical ways of vaunting oneself up using riddles based upon the notion that Peter was mocked as being drunk with new wine at 9:00 a.m. in the morning, and Peter said he wasn't drunk as they supposed. It's making oneself feel superior when people don't catch these things and the writer does. So it continues relentlessly.

[shazeep]

If you do not know what the reference to "drunk in the morning" in Scripture means, Mr. Blume, why on earth would you want to advertise it?
Wth does it have to do with a superiority complex? Am i not being mocked, and stoned, for no reason that i can see, at least?
I did not come here with this with any superior attitude. I do not owe you any apologies. It is you that has wronged me,
and it is you that has belittled me. The posts have not disappeared, Mr Blume; it is simply that you cannot see them, i guess.

Originally Posted by shazeep

i would tell them to go find some hippies, and get the Word, K. With the caveat that if that did not work for them, i had some OP brothers that might could help them out, if the hippies were not for them.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Shaz, I wonder why you bother. You did, after all come here on this thread offering up your insight into the discussion of the gospel which seems to be something about Nehustan, a snake on a pole, and now the numbers 666.

Logically, there is no conclusion to draw about what you think you know, that we don't.

And then of course, when questioned about what you would tell someone asking you how to be saved, you say you would tell them to go find some hippies, and have nothing yourself to offer up to the searching heart. That in itself is telling.

If you don't have faith enough in what you believe to tell someone, why are you here trying to tell us what to do?

So then the question begs to be asked, why are you here? It doesn't matter what answer we give, or don't give, you are not satisfied, and continue to mumble jumble about a Nahustan snake on a pole, and now the 666 stuff.

Maybe you need to take a communication course or something to help you more concisely present your thoughts in a logical manner, instead of the vague "mumble jumble" that becomes almost incoherent at times, even to me, and I do try to listen and understand you.

Yes, sorry i am not more logical, my apologies. I did my best to point to "Get Word, however you can, even if it is through OP, the way i (eventually) got there."

The best thing someone could do, imo, is not relevant to most any adult that would ask this, see,
and so really, it would not matter what i said to them, if they could not hear "Go find EB's 12 tribes."

Would i invite them into worshipping Christ like a snake on a pole? No, but neither do the 12 tribes, right? So, in the same manner that i did not come here
suggesting that anyone needs to follow me or be doomed--sound familiar?--i simply tried to say what fit the concept best.
I would likely recommend Paul's path, but how do you predicate a visitation?

I would suggest that one read the Bible, most likely, starting with a version simple enough for them to grasp, and with the understanding that the Book is not the Word, and the Word is what is needed. And i would point out the vital necessity of the Book in Its personal application, and caution against using It against other people, as is the common practice. I would show them the obvious symbolism in Scripture, and suggest that there is much more hidden symbolism, that can only be revealed a little at a time. I would implant that they are the Priest, building their Temple, in their heart.

I would warn them that the Book was full of apparent contradictions, and that these would teach lessons that lead to Word in the lifelong path of resolving them.rAnd that they should be alert for the smell of death in their congregation, and any condemnation or accusation should send them running. I would suggest that they seek a Right Pastor based upon their needs, and that the Spirit would guide them in their Reading, and in their choices of Pastor, etc, if they would but let Him. I would point out that if their old pastor balked at suggesting a new Right Pastor when the time was right, then they should understand the lesson in that. I would tell them about the 3 spiritual baptisms. I would suggest that they keep an open mind, and trust that they are hedged, while also strenuously avoiding anyone seeking to cloister them, to separate them from mankind like rapists do.

I would probably go on at length, like people do, and none of it would likely matter,
or at least i doubt that it would matter much, K. You cannot accept Christ with your mouth, or a bath, either.
I would tell them that mostly it seems to be about getting over yourself, and suggest ways to see how people demonstrate that they are blind to this;
people who inevitably seek leadership positions, to feed their egos.

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And the writer expects everyone to bow down to what they say as truth concerning who violated who, etc. Meanwhile the writer said more vile insults than anyone else on the forum. Forever patronizing.