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[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Yet we are discussing an article about a group that was having services outside the compounds and embassies.

You posted that article in this thread in post #36 to "prove" some long lost irrelevant point. After you posted that report I answered it with this:

“It was reported to ICC that 27 of the group were held overnight and then released the next day (Saturday),” Todd Daniels, the religious freedom group’s Middle East manager, told Aleteia today. “One of the men, a leader of the group, was held until Sunday morning. ICC was told that the explanation for that was that a sponsor for his visa was out of the country and had to be consulted before he was released.”

The Saudi Gazette, basing its article on Alsharq daily of Qatar, reported that officers of the “Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice” (known as the Haia) responded to a resident’s report of “suspicious activities” in a house in the city of Khafji.

Daniels said the persons arrested were largely expatriate workers from South Asia. “They have met regularly for quite some time without serious incident,” he said.

That one. The one where they met quite regularly for some time. In a house. Not in an embassy or compound.

And what happened? They were arrested. And why were they arrested? Because it's against SA law for Christians or any other non-islamic people to have services according to their faith.

If anything, that upholds my argument that SA does not allow church meetings in the general public, outside of compounds or Embassies.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You posted the report about it. You later stated (your words are in Post 127)

"They all are in non-descript buildings, hidden away in Embassies or compounds - both of which are free areas where the SA "Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice have no authority."

So you know that also. In knowing that, and in posting a report about a home that was raided, you knowingly (accidentally - grin) posted a report about a service being held outside a compound.

Now you are pretending you did not.

"Nowhere does any report I've posted state that there are services outside the compounds or Embassies. " is thus and therefore an untrue statement.

Are you illiterate? Go back and read the reports I posted. Not the news quote I used to prove it's against SA law for Christians to meet together. Go look at the reports I posted and show me where any state that there are services outside the compounds or Embassies.

I'll give you an A for effort, but an F for the total grade, because you're wrong.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

NOTE: That is how you prove a lie.

No, that's how you prove yourself to have a reading comprehension problem

[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

? "falsely implying that people are free to do so in the general public" ?

Since I neither typed nor said "free to do so in the general public" then how in the world can you attribute this to me then declare it as an exposed lie?

I am beginning to believe I am talking (typing LOL) to a real live nutjob. Are you actually mental? Tell us.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

The best way to have church is to arrange the meeting exactly like the arrangements are made at the jillion Masjids around town OR accept the risk that if you want to do your own thing and flaunt the laws here you can get picked up for it.

We both know Christians cannot "arrange a meeting exactly like the arrangements are made at the jillion Masjids around town." By posting this, you're implying that Christians are free to worship in the general public...so long as they are not in mixed company. Again, we both know SA law forbids this, regardless if with mixed gender or not.

[n david]

I'm done with this thread. Good to see you finally acknowledge that Christians in SA are not free to worship outside compounds or Embassies.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by n david

I'm done with this thread. Good to see you finally acknowledge that Christians in SA are not free to worship outside compounds or Embassies.

"We both know christians cannot "arrange a meeting"

Do we? Why did you post a news article about Christians doing that exact thing? (and what was that - "for quite some time"?) LOL No, you KNOW you found a news report about it but insist that it does not happen. That is intellectually dishonest. I already knew it happens.

And why were they arrested? Because it's against SA law for Christians or any other non-islamic people to have services according to their faith.

Not what you said. You said that christianity is considered "apostasy" and "punishable by death". Criminals who commit crimes "punishable by death" don't get released the day after they get picked up. What you said and what happened are different. Therefore, what you said is wrong. Again.

Go back and read the reports I posted. Not the news quote I used

That's hilarious. Your reports and the news are in conflict. Which reflects actual practice? Wiki research or news reports?

You're done because you got exposed as intellectually dishonest, tried to play "liar liar" and failed, and because there is no way you are going to play "fun with numbers" and compound count after your silly lie about number of compounds in Riyadh. Innocently wondering did that come from (your) same report that is in conflict with (your) news stories?

Glad to see you finally acknowledge that Christians in Saudi Arabia have lots and lots of places to worship without being bothered. When you come back I still don't care if this gets to 10,000 pages. Good riddance if you don't.

[shazeep]

yes, please stay, that God's will may be illuminated further

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, please stay, that God's will may be illuminated further

Too bad since he was about to learn how to count. "Fun with numbers" is my favorite game.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

"We both know christians cannot "arrange a meeting"

Do we? Why did you post a news article about Christians doing that exact thing? (and what was that - "for quite some time"?) LOL No, you KNOW you found a news report about it but insist that it does not happen. That is intellectually dishonest. I already knew it happens.

As stated previously, I posted the quote because it proves that Christian services are against SA law. Is your turban wrapped too tightly?

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

And why were they arrested? Because it's against SA law for Christians or any other non-islamic people to have services according to their faith.

Not what you said. You said that christianity is considered "apostasy" and "punishable by death". Criminals who commit crimes "punishable by death" don't get released the day after they get picked up. What you said and what happened are different. Therefore, what you said is wrong. Again.

You have a severe reading comprehension problem. Get some glasses and read my exact quote again.

Originally Posted by n david

Conversion from Islam is considered apostacy and is punishable by death.

Again, and perhaps a bigger font would help...

Originally Posted by n david

Conversion from Islam is considered apostacy and is punishable by death.

I did not say Christianity is apostacy and punishable by death, it's muslims converting to Christianity which is considered apostacy and punishable by death.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Go back and read the reports I posted. Not the news quote I used

That's hilarious. Your reports and the news are in conflict. Which reflects actual practice? Wiki research or news reports?

You're done because you got exposed as intellectually dishonest, tried to play "liar liar" and failed, and because there is no way you are going to play "fun with numbers" and compound count after your silly lie about number of compounds in Riyadh. Innocently wondering did that come from (your) same report that is in conflict with (your) news stories?

I'm not the one who was claiming Christians can worship as long as they're arranged jillions of other Masjids around town. Only Christians cannot do so because it's against SA law! Unwrap the turban a bit and let your mind comprehend what's clearly written in your own law.

Don't call me a liar, muslim, call the expat website which lists 11 compounds a liar.

Source Link

"Expat Accomodations in Riyadh"
Al Hamra Oasis Village
Al Mostaqbal Homes
Al Ola Real Estate
Al Showaier Real Estate
Al Yamamah Resort
Cordoba Oasis Village
Dhabab Gardens
Eid Villas
FAL Residential Compound
Jadawel International
Kingdom City

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Glad to see you finally acknowledge that Christians in Saudi Arabia have lots and lots of places to worship without being bothered. When you come back I still don't care if this gets to 10,000 pages. Good riddance if you don't.

Only as long as they're inside a compound or Embassy.

[Walks_in_islam]

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Originally Posted by n david

As stated previously, I posted the quote because it proves that Christian services are against SA law. Is your turban wrapped too tightly?

You proved that church services are held outside of embassies and compounds is what you proved. We don't wear turbans in Texas hahahahahaha.....

You have a severe reading comprehension problem. Get some glasses and read my exact quote again.

Again, and perhaps a bigger font would help...

I did not say Christianity is apostacy and punishable by death, it's muslims converting to Christianity which is considered apostacy and punishable by death.

Exact quote:

"Christians proselytizing is typically punished with a prison sentance, although the law allows it to be punishable by death"

Those caught worshipping outside the compounds or Embassies are typically deported.

Neither happened in the news story you posted. So in addition to proving that services are not just held in compounds and embassies you proved you can lie about that too.

I'm not the one who was claiming Christians can worship as long as they're arranged jillions of other Masjids around town. Only Christians cannot do so because it's against SA law! Unwrap the turban a bit and let your mind comprehend what's clearly written in your own law.

You are the one who posted the article that said that they do it. They do it and what was that - "for quite some time"? LOL Nothing about all those dire punishments you also said would happen either

Don't call me a liar, muslim, call the expat website which lists 11 compounds a liar.

You are telling all sorts of lies. So many you forget then you tell other lies that contradict your first lies. Don't tell lies and you won't get labeled someone who does. LOL They list 11 compounds, that is the truth. Taking the list from one website and claiming that every compound in the city is on that list, like you did, is a lie. So: They listed real compounds, truth, you claimed that those real compounds are ALL of the compounds, lie.

THAT is how you expose a lie.



Source Link

"Expat Accomodations in Riyadh"
Al Hamra Oasis Village
Al Mostaqbal Homes
Al Ola Real Estate
Al Showaier Real Estate
Al Yamamah Resort
Cordoba Oasis Village
Dhabab Gardens
Eid Villas
FAL Residential Compound
Jadawel International
Kingdom City

tsk tsk here are a few more. I gotta go to bed. This is from just ONE website LOL and NONE of them are on yours. THIS is how you start nailing the coffin closed on a corn-pone Podunk who talks too much

This one isn't on your list

http://www.rightcompound.com/Aljazira-Residence-181

This one isn't on your list

http://www.rightcompound.com/Green-City-Compound-148

This one isn't on your list

http://www.rightcompound.com/Ishbilia-165

This one isn't on your list

http://www.rightcompound.com/IZDIHAR-COMPOUND-132

OOPS this one either

http://www.rightcompound.com/PALMS-ESTATE-COMPOUND-153

<sigh> or this one

http://www.rightcompound.com/RIYADH-VILLAGE-119
DUDE! How did they miss this one? You need to get better internet service at that trailer. Now ask yourself.......how many more did I miss?

I'll give you one more chance...........LOL

http://www.granada-village.com/facility.html

Its ideal location at the heart of one of Riyadh’s elite districts provides you with a convenient way to access the capital’s business and leisure centers.

Man they have a nice website. Innocently thinking you missed that one on purpose.

Facilities & Services :

At the end of an exhausting day, you can rejuvenate at Granada Village. With a world of extraordinary facilities and limitless services, you and your family can relax in comfort in the opulent surroundings of Granada Village. The Village has a huge selection of facilities and services, including:
•Spa
•Gym
•Restaurant
•Café
•Supermarket
•Nursery
•Laundry
•Beauty Salon
•The Cinema® My trailer internet service sez: "Although Saudi Arabia has 27 million inhabitants, there is not a single movie theatre in the kingdom. Movie theatres were banned in the 1980’s in order to appease conservative clerics." Funny. We have one here too
•Celebration Hall (what's that for?)
•The Billiard Lounge
•Video Game Lounge
•Bowling Lounge
•Waves Swimming Pool (1,600 m2)
•Water Slide
•4 Corner Swimming Pools
•1 Winter Swimming Pool
•Steam Room
•Sauna
•Jacuzzi
•6 Sunbathing Terraces
•Public Toilets & Showers
•Outdoor Barbeque Grills
•Car Parking
•Hotel
•Football Playground
•Basketball Court
•Tennis Courts
•2 Squash Courts
•Children Play Grounds
•Ping Pong
•Yoga Hall
•Gardens
•Car Washing Zone
•Commercial Shops
•School Buses For Selected Schools
•Social Programs
•Concierge
•Maintenance
•Shopping Buses
•Fiber Optic Internet
•Fire Alarm System
•Full Furniture
•High Security Standards
•CCTVs

Only as long as they're inside a compound or Embassy.

Or yeah, in a house somewhere.

Your trailer needs better internet service. That took like 5 minutes.

Yep, I'm going to have a lot more fun with you. These are public. We haven't even looked at company compounds yet. Know why? We arent finished with the public ones! Hahahahahahaha...

[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You proved that church services are held outside of embassies and compounds is what you proved. We don't wear turbans in Texas hahahahahaha.....

Are you in Texas or SA? You been claiming you're in SA, now you say "we don't wear turbans in Texas." Can't be at both places, that would make you God and we both know you're NOT Him.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Exact quote:

"Christians proselytizing is typically punished with a prison sentance, although the law allows it to be punishable by death"

Those caught worshipping outside the compounds or Embassies are typically deported.

Neither happened in the news story you posted. So in addition to proving that services are not just held in compounds and embassies you proved you can lie about that too.

I didn't lie, moron. I even stated there hasn't been an execution for that in years. Are all muslims as stupid as you?

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You are the one who posted the article that said that they do it. They do it and what was that - "for quite some time"? LOL Nothing about all those dire punishments you also said would happen either

They were arrested, weren't they? And tell me, do you know any of them personally? What, I wonder, has happened to them? Are they still in SA, or were they deported, as many are for that kind of offense.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You are telling all sorts of lies. So many you forget then you tell other lies that contradict your first lies. Don't tell lies and you won't get labeled someone who does. LOL They list 11 compounds, that is the truth. Taking the list from one website and claiming that every compound in the city is on that list, like you did, is a lie. So: They listed real compounds, truth, you claimed that those real compounds are ALL of the compounds, lie.

Funny, you're the one who's been lying and claiming SA allows religious services around town. Now that I've forced you to admit it, you suddenly are determined to try and something I said wrong. Keep trying. You're failing miserably at it, but go on ahead and keep trying.

I didn't lie.

Originally Posted by n david

Riyadh has 11 such compounds. Not sure about the total number in SA, but based on your previous dishonesty, I would bet it's much less than the "hundreds" you claim.

Never said that was ALL the compounds, as you falsely claim. Never claimed every compound was on that list, as you falsely claim.

Again, do all muslims have a comprehension problem, or is it just you?

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

THAT is how you expose a lie.

I think the sand fleas have infested your brain and made you "special."

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Or yeah, in a house somewhere.

Your trailer needs better internet service. That took like 5 minutes.

Yep, I'm going to have a lot more fun with you. These are public. We haven't even looked at company compounds yet.

I don't live in a trailer, but whatever.

Go ahead, make my day, muslim. I'm glad you're finally admitting SA prohibits free exercise of religion anywhere outside a compound or Embassy. Took you a while to finally admit it, but you did. That's something, for a muslim.

[shazeep]

One can hardly hope to outline the Christian pov here by calling someone "stupid" and "moron" imo