The Question No One Can Answer

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Oh, yes, you did! You said, too bad for me if I don't go to the place you "THINK" you're going. You didn't say, too bad for yourself, just me.



I'm only telling you and others what they don't know, because they don't. That is the fact, not a lie. I could take any Book in Religion that talks about an Afterlife and say the same thing; they don't know.

Now, if you have met with the dead, and Spectral Evidence is not used, I'm all ears. I'm not justifying myself, I'm only seeking the truth, something you are avoiding.

Ah but I didn't even mention a "place". That's an assumption on your part. You are "assuming" what I "think". But truth is, you do not KNOW what I think.

Again, as individuals, we all choose what to believe or not believe, what to follow or not to follow, what to accept or not accept. We all have to live with our "free will" choices, whatever we believe the results may be. This is true for everyone whether they believe in God or not.

Defy the law of gravity just because you can't see it, suffer the consequences. The law remains true no matter what anyone "thinks". Plain and simple.

Truth is, I don't need any "book", religious or otherwise, to tell me what is true. We make decisions every day as to what we believe to be true without any "books".

You keep "splitting hairs" and flaunting your so called knowledge but what you fail to admit is that what YOU believe to be truth, what you think you know, has no impact on me or anyone else.

I KNOW the earth rotates on its axis not because I (or anyone else) have personally seen it but because I have CHOSEN to believe it and accept it as fact. That's MY CHOICE.

Same goes for anything that I "know" about God. I don't have to have a book, I simply make a choice and for me personally, it is knowledge because I have accepted it as such.

No one can change that knowledge except me. If I so choose. And I don't have to answer to you or anyone else, unless of course you believe the scripture that says something about "giving an answer to every man..."

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Oh, yes, you did! You said, too bad for me if I don't go to the place you "THINK" you're going. You didn't say, too bad for yourself, just me.



I'm only telling you and others what they don't know, because they don't. That is the fact, not a lie. I could take any Book in Religion that talks about an Afterlife and say the same thing; they don't know.

Now, if you have met with the dead, and Spectral Evidence is not used, I'm all ears. I'm not justifying myself, I'm only seeking the truth, something you are avoiding.

Do you know anything?

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by ILG

Can anyone really live their life to the fullest if they are in denial of any kind of truth that they are rejecting? (I mean any.)

I guess that would depend on the individual and how they define a " full life ".

[ILG]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

I guess that would depend on the individual and how they define a " full life ".

I just thought the statement you made seemed odd. You said "live your life to the fullest"....so what did that mean in the context you used it in?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Do you know anything?

Exactly!

Apparently, nothing of any real consequence, if it isn't perceived empirically by the five senses, is knowable. And even that is suspect.

And yet, the man says He can stand before a God he has never seen, never heard, never felt, or experienced empirically, and be honest with Him about not knowing anything or any truth as contained in the Bible because that's what the God he can't see, hear, or know in any real, true way wants and even expects of him.

But anyone else who DARES claim to have a justified belief based upon a tangible experience with the same God through the Risen Christ is in bondage and despair of religion, as if that same God just doesn't know how to properly communicate and reveal both Himself and His will to HIS OWN CREATION!

Get a grip, man. You're losing your hold on reality.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

A dead seed doesn't grow into anything. A seed that is alive, does. Just like the seed of a man, dead sperm won't produce anything. Just ask a couple who can't have children.

The question is, what happens to dead humans, not living ones. There is no possible way you know what happens because you have not seen, or been too, the "Other Side".

You can keep referring to what other people have said in the Scriptures, but that doesn't prove anything because countless Books in other Faith's proclaim that they know.

If we can't meet with the dead, it will be a mystery until we die, and guessing will be the closest we get to understanding the truth about the Afterlife.

I agree with you in one sense. WE DON'T KNOW exactly what happens to us when we die. I personally believe, that faith in Christ will allow me to live with Him eternally.... but you are right... we can't and don't know for sure.... We can believe, but we haven't yet experienced death, grave, and afterlife for ourselves.... so we are left with faith.

And, what everyone has posted on here in regards to your comments, has been that their FAITH is what allows them to live this life believing that the next life will be what our FAITH deems it will be.

Do you have faith? Do you believe in things that you cannot see, touch, feel, hear, or smell? I would assume that if you believe in Jesus Christ, that you must have faith.

It is our faith that is trusting in things we cannot see that allows us to have hope in this life, and in the life to come. Just as a seed bears within itself life that may not be tangible, or be seen on the outside, there is resident life within that seed that does bring forth new life upon its apparent death, and burial in the ground, and it brings forth new life.

So... my faith in God is found even as the parable of the seed.... I may not be able to see that eternal life in my life today.. but it is there waiting to resurrect into something new and more wonderful than what I am today when I die... and that is my FAITH.

So, the question that I ask you.... do you have faith?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I agree with you in one sense. WE DON'T KNOW exactly what happens to us when we die. I personally believe, that faith in Christ will allow me to live with Him eternally.... but you are right... we can't and don't know for sure.... We can believe, but we haven't yet experienced death, grave, and afterlife for ourselves.... so we are left with faith.

I agree with this. Belief in the afterlife is based on faith. I believe there is an afterlife, but I can't prove it and I don't KNOW it.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by ILG

I just thought the statement you made seemed odd. You said "live your life to the fullest"....so what did that mean in the context you used it in?

Why would it seem odd? If a person doesn't believe in an afterlife then this life is all they got so I would think they would want to make the very best of it. Since "living life to the fullest" is subjective, there is no way to know what will make each person's life "full".

Personally, I don't believe a full life is truly possible without God and the hope of an afterlife. But thats my opinion.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Exactly!

Apparently, nothing of any real consequence, if it isn't perceived empirically by the five senses, is knowable. And even that is suspect.

And yet, the man says He can stand before a God he has never seen, never heard, never felt, or experienced empirically, and be honest with Him about not knowing anything or any truth as contained in the Bible because that's what the God he can't see, hear, or know in any real, true way wants and even expects of him.

But anyone else who DARES claim to have a justified belief based upon a tangible experience with the same God through the Risen Christ is in bondage and despair of religion, as if that same God just doesn't know how to properly communicate and reveal both Himself and His will to HIS OWN CREATION!

Get a grip, man. You're losing your hold on reality.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by ILG

I agree with this. Belief in the afterlife is based on faith. I believe there is an afterlife, but I can't prove it and I don't KNOW it.

•A belief is the subjective requirement for knowledge.

•“Knowledge” is defined as “justified true belief.”
In order to “know,” we have our emotions, reason, perception and knowledge. There will be knowledge as long as there is a justifiable truth and belief.

•In other words, a belief can be considered knowledge as long as it is a justified truth.

•As long as a particular belief is justified, it is considered to be knowledge.

I KNOW there is an afterlife because my belief is a "justified true belief." I don't have to PROVE it. In fact, I'd be wasting my time to try. All I can do is share my "justified true beliefs" on the matter and then the rest is up to the recipient of my message.

As for me, I made up my mind on this topic long ago. I could change my mind, I have that choice but that doesn't change the fact that at this time, I KNOW what I believe and because its justifiable, for me it is more than just a belief, it has become knowledge.