The poor in America

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Some will think those who don't believe in GOV programs are unkind or uncaring, just they way it rolls.

You're buying into his perceived hogwash too. Amazing!!

You really think because of Coadie's perspective of government role with the poor, that I think he's a sinner?

Give me a break... I'm tired of repeating myself on that issue... wish you guys would read.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Some will think those who don't believe in GOV programs are unkind or uncaring, just they way it rolls.

I was raised on a Mennonite farm, All the Mennonite farming communities were visited by the cannery. We got together, slaughtered beef in the winter, canned it and shipped it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpsrSV3s9aQ

This past year MCC shipped more than 956,000 pounds of turkey, pork and beef for people in 15 countries, including Canada and the United States.

The protein is shipping pre paid and delivered so we know it feeds the intended poor.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Thanks, both of you.

I changed my thinking about poverty in America in the last few years -- I began reading, studying it more closely, and then decided to actually get involved with it directly. I'm not great urban champion, and there's people that work far harder than I do, but just rubbing shoulders with these guys has been eye-opening. And the regurgitated hatred and bigotry slandered against the poor (that ironically just continues the stigmatization and oppression) is all-too-common. It's amazing how much of it just starts to sound the same. Every argument is sliced up in two quadrants: Work hard, try harder, make better choices and you can be all you can be vs. lazy, hobo, slummy, dirty leeches who want to suck off everyone. The result is a rather worldly metric for bringing redemption to a situation, excuses for not making a difference and extra ideological padding for sitting on the sidelines, and bellicose rhetoric.
I recall worshipping the America Dream, it was my God. If someone had brokenness in their life, I went back to the that idol, and told them they just weren't trying hard enough. My focus was on them making money, and I misunderstood what poverty really was, how deep it was, and difficult an oppression it is to overcome.

This is you building your strawman. No one attacked the poor except here is where you started the accusation.

Big word alert. Quadrant refers to 4 not two.

Your vocabulary is politican and leftist elitist accent.

urban champion
regurgitated hatred
bigotry
slandered
dirty leeches
who want to suck off everyone
ideological padding
bellicose rhetoric

You have your attack all listed out and laced with inflamatory left wing buzzswords.

You must be having a bad day and i am a handy target for your accusations.

You sure seem to preach works salvation. How much exactly do i give or do for the poor and how much more would I have to do to meet your criteria for salvation. I need some actual numbers. Thanks.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Respectfully, that's extremely ignorant of you to suggest that... But unfortunately, it's a common talking point, and thousands say the same thing. I encourage you to take a closer look at poverty, not just the images of cardboard signs at the street lights.

Socialites insults began here. why?
You just generalize on how people see the poor. No every person relates to poor using their own moments without money as a reference point.

You are 100% wrong about carboard signs at street lights. That is what i call beggars. They are fundraising and i have no idea if they are poor or not. I have read signs that say will work for food and I ask them to jump in and we will go cut some fire wood and they tell me to where where i used to be headed. I mis read the work part because they really wanted cash.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Socialite

You're buying into his perceived hogwash too. Amazing!!

You really think because of Coadie's perspective of government role with the poor, that I think he's a sinner?

Give me a break... I'm tired of repeating myself on that issue... wish you guys would read.

Not sure how you got all that from my post. Seems to me your getting a little to vested here.

[Praxeas]

If poor is defined by a common number then that is really misleading since people living in some areas have a lower cost of living and can afford a home

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

This is you building your strawman. No one attacked the poor except here is where you started the accusation.

Big word alert. Quadrant refers to 4 not two.

Your vocabulary is politican and leftist elitist accent.

urban champion
regurgitated hatred
bigotry
slandered
dirty leeches
who want to suck off everyone
ideological padding
bellicose rhetoric

You have your attack all listed out and laced with inflamatory left wing buzzswords.

You must be having a bad day and i am a handy target for your accusations.

You sure seem to preach works salvation. How much exactly do i give or do for the poor and how much more would I have to do to meet your criteria for salvation. I need some actual numbers. Thanks.

Oh geez... I feel honored to have you citing all my "big words." How much time did you spend? Was that your attempt to read my posts or were just perusing for words? Everything you've said in this thread has been contempt for poor people -- that is, when you weren't trying to run your own radio talk show. This goes well beyond your obvious position about the government's role.

Left wing buzzwords? Dude, you are so beyond laughable. It's just my "agenda"

Go back to your Art Bell radio show

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Go back to your Art Bell radio show

I like the now retired Art Bell. He used to have Irving Baxter on...

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

If poor is defined by a common number then that is really misleading since people living in some areas have a lower cost of living and can afford a home

There is an idea. Poor should seek a place with lower cost of living. We had chickens and pigs. So we weren't poor. Some poor folk are gratefull and resourcefull.

Not dependent on Big Gubment.

http://www.heifer.org/site/c.edJRKQN...rce=TH1J100025

We have given hiefers, chickens geese so poor people can make money.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by coadie

I was raised on a Mennonite farm, All the Mennonite farming communities were visited by the cannery. We got together, slaughtered beef in the winter, canned it and shipped it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpsrSV3s9aQ

This past year MCC shipped more than 956,000 pounds of turkey, pork and beef for people in 15 countries, including Canada and the United States.

The protein is shipping pre paid and delivered so we know it feeds the intended poor.

Coadie, though no longer Mennonite I still attend the local MCC fund-raisers and still donate.

Growing up we would donate a beef or other animal when they brought the canner in. The irony is, even though we were well below the poverty line ourselves we would never miss the canning days. One of the best things the poor can do is give their time and resources for those less forfunate. It helps keep things in perpsective. Most recently the gubment has outlawed the use of portable canners in our state and they are now doing auctions to raise funds so the canning can be done at other locations.