Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit. - Page 19

tstew · #**181** 09-27-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

And that is exactly my point. They aren't scared to address it in their churches - - wish the white community could be more open about addressing the problem instead of ignoring it or allowing - - oh, never mind I've already made too many mad.

I hope you're not counting me amongst the angry. I really don't think people are getting mad. I think we should be able to discuss his sort of thing without getting mad and personal.

coadie · #**182** 09-27-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

And that is exactly my point. They aren't scared to address it in their churches - - wish the white community could be more open about addressing the problem instead of ignoring it or allowing - - oh, never mind I've already made too many mad.

I don't think you have made people mad.

Reading quotes from Bishop Long's church, there are a lot of mad people yesterday in his church. Mad at the accusations.

Your comments on COGIC included it was once a holiness denomination.

coadie · #**183** 09-27-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew

I hope you're not counting me amongst the angry. I really don't think people are getting mad. I think we should be able to discuss his sort of thing without getting mad and personal.

This topic if it is close to home, does create feelings of betrayal.

rgcraig · #**184** 09-27-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

It appears to me that the black community is just far more willing to address the issue than whites.

Exactly and I believe this was all MOW is saying - - that's how I read it and how even Jermyn did too.

MOW wasn't even insinuating one bit that it ONLY happend in the black churches.

rgcraig · #**185** 09-27-2010, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew

I hope you're not counting me amongst the angry. I really don't think people are getting mad. I think we should be able to discuss his sort of thing without getting mad and personal.

No, not at all - - and I DO understand what you are saying. It probably is like anything else - - how we interpret things has to do with our influences, background and experiences in life.

BeenThinkin · #**186** 09-27-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew

Let me preface this by saying that I have tried to be very careful at not shooting at MOW. From every thing I know about him he appears to be a great guy and pastor (I said as much earlier in the thread).
That being said, how do you interpret "I am personally aware of this type of behavior among some black preachers"?

Person A: Yao Ming steals from little old ladies.
Person B: I am personally aware of this type of behavior among some Chinese people.
What is Person C supposed to derive from this?

Once again, I am not trying to hang MOW. I'm wondering what you deduce from the statement. I've stated earlier in this thread the reason that I even get involved in these sorts of threads.

Let's see tstew.

Person A: Yao Ming steals from little old ladies.

I must assume that Yao Ming is Chinese first, I guess.
But that is only an assumption because I don't know him, I'm judging him by his name.

Person B: I am personally aware of this type of behavior among some Chinese people.

What is Person C supposed to derive from this?

Then I (being Person C) would have to assume that Person B was in fact aware of some Chinese people doing this!

I might then assume that Person B did not know any Mexicans that did this. He/She did not know... (wait I guess it was okay for me to assume that Person B was a male because women don't do this type thing as much as men do??? Right assumption?) .... any Japanese that did this type thing. JUST SOME CHINESE! Doesn't mean all Chinese do this..... was just prevalent "among some Chinese!"

Or I could assume that Person B was a racist and just didn't like all Chinese and that he (there's that he thing again) was a bad or evil person.

I did google "down-low" among whites or blacks" and got this response.

Wikipedia,
Down-low is an African-American slang term[1] which refers to a subculture of men who usually identify as heterosexual, but who have sex with men; some avoid sharing this information even if they have female sexual partner(s).[2][3][4][5] The term is also used to refer to a related sexual identity.[5][6]

There were many many more replies, all about "Black men!" ...didn't see any that referred to white men and "down-low!". Maybe I didn't look far enough.

Now should the news media and the blogs be criticied for saying, "black men?"

Maybe I should not admit this but I didn't recognize or know what the term meant!

And Renda gave us 2 or 3 news items speaking about the problem being present in black communities, including the COGIC organization.

I did not detect venom nor an ugly attitude in what MOW posted. (He simply spoke of his own, personal knowledge, and then justified that by saying he had preached for more blacks than whites and had many friends who were black.) I have felt some very harsh response back to him. Why? I don't know.

I really did not take from his post that any of his remarks were racist....just simply facts. Again the news media and other post did not seem to think there was any problem stating that it was a predominantly black issue.

Am I wrong?

DAII · #**187** 09-27-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

This topic if it is close to home, does create feelings of betrayal.

Good, God!

rgcraig · #**188** 09-27-2010, 06:10 PM

BT -- good post.

Just a point to insert here. I live in an area that is over 75% black, however when something happens and it's reported on the news it's VERY strange to me (and others both black and white have discussed this) that the news media will almost always say, "a 25 year old black male robbed a bank today" -

Banks are robbed by white people too, but they don't say a "Caucasian male" - totally has NOTHING to do with this thread.

Just thinking outloud about how weird things are sometimes.