UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges - Page 19

MissBrattified · #**181** 09-22-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Just thinking all this through - and had this thought.

First, let me say that I'm thankful for our laws and agree with anyone under 18 is considered a minor.

However, think back in history - - it was nothing for a young maiden to be taken in arranged marriages and it was considered the norm.

If we check back to our great-grandmothers many of them were married under the age of 18.

Just thinking outloud.

First of all, what is decorous, appropriate and lawful is largely determined by present society & culture.

Secondly, there would be no reason to look back on our grandparents and think that our Grandpas were perverts for marrying women as young as 14 or 15, since that wasn't deemed inappropriate at that time. People can only be expected to behave to the level of their education.

We are now equipped with the knowledge that children do not reach maturity mentally and emotionally at the same time they reach physical maturity, AND our legal system has placed limits on sexual interaction with minors. Therefore anyone who acts inappropriately with the knowledge that doing so could be harmful to a child's wellbeing is most certainly at fault, and due to our laws, it just so happens they are criminals as well.

rgcraig · #**182** 09-22-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

First of all, what is decorous, appropriate and lawful is largely determined by present society & culture.

Secondly, there would be no reason to look back on our grandparents and think that our Grandpas were perverts for marrying women as young as 14 or 15, since that wasn't deemed inappropriate at that time. People can only be expected to behave to the level of their education.

We are now equipped with the knowledge that children do not reach maturity mentally and emotionally at the same time they reach physical maturity, AND our legal system has placed limits on sexual interaction with minors. Therefore anyone who acts inappropriately with the knowledge that doing so could be harmful to a child's wellbeing is most certainly at fault, and due to our laws, it just so happens they are criminals as well.

I agree.

I felt too young at 23 - - -

MrMasterMind · #**183** 09-22-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Just thinking all this through - and had this thought.

First, let me say that I'm thankful for our laws and agree with anyone under 18 is considered a minor.

However, think back in history - - it was nothing for a young maiden to be taken in arranged marriages and it was considered the norm.

If we check back to our great-grandmothers many of them were married under the age of 18.

Just thinking outloud.

And for purposes of sexual consent the age in that state is 16

rgcraig · #**184** 09-22-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

And for purposes of sexual consent the age in that state is 16

In Ohio?

That's why they couldn't file the charges as rape, correct?

MrMasterMind · #**185** 09-22-2010, 04:22 PM

In some places, Spain for example it can go as low as 13.

MrMasterMind · #**186** 09-22-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

In Ohio?

That's why they couldn't file the charges as rape, correct?

That is correct if he were not a minister it would have been impossible to file ANY charges for consensual sex between a 47 yo and a 16 yo.

Thus sayeth the laws of Ohio.

rgcraig · #**187** 09-22-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Oh, I misread that. I thought he said he didn't like to admit he needed help. My apologies.

Also....and I tread softly here......but he did say his daughter was 20 now and to this day will say there was nothing she did wrong. There was no way for me to know from that that he lost his beloved daughter and every reason for me to assume she was still with us. Just sayin'....

I think he said "would say" - - he knows how strongly she felt about it so if she was alive, she would say.

You didn't know.

rgcraig · #**188** 09-22-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

That is correct if he were not a minister it would have been impossible to file ANY charges for consensual sex between a 47 yo and a 16 yo.

Thus sayeth the laws of Ohio.

As wrong as I think this is - since it was consensual I'm not sure battery charges will stick. Wouldn't that have meant he had to hit her or force her to have sex with him?

geekette · #**189** 09-22-2010, 04:34 PM

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ILG · #**190** 09-22-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

I think he said "would say" - - he knows how strongly she felt about it so if she was alive, she would say.

You didn't know.

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Scotty: And believe me , she is perfectly fine, she is 20 now and to this day she will tell you she done nothing wrong because it is her life and her perogative.

I don't wish to debate further. He has his reasons for saying it the way he did and I don't question it. I'm just saying, like you said, I didn't know.