Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by Josh Lechte

Wow...this site is filled with libs trying to justify their worldy wants through the scripture. Why wear jewelry? Wearing jewelry only serves purpose for your ownselves. It gives no glory to God. You stubborn lukewarm libs are blind and hardened. You wanna do what you wanna do, regardless...you just twist or disregard the scripture to fit your sinful minds. Dispicable. Paul talked about your kind. It will be hard for you people to ever see the truth because your justifications of your wants and lusts of this world overwelm your humility to learn and submit yourself. I usually laugh at liberals...the libs in the political world, but you libs..I'm apalled and disgusted.

Can anybody else feel the Love?

And again, just personal attacks without scriptural substance.

FYI, I am well able to follow standards that are grounded in tradition rather than scripture and have for decades, as have my wife and children.

What I am not willing to do is to condemn as reprobate those that have a differing view of scriptures that can be interpreted multiple ways. I have known too many incredible Christians that have such differing views.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

Yeah, we see that. Do you?

I've seen preachers that launch diatribes against someone who wears a modest wedding band or a broach on their dress, while wearing a suit that costs 800 dollars, shoes that cost 500 dollars, and cuff links that cost 150 dollars, and more. They are fervently amened by wives with all manner of adornment in their hair (somehow hair, the only place where adornment is specifically prohibited in this verse, has become the acceptable only place to wear ornamentation), who are themselves wearing clothes that are vastly beyond the financial reach of almost anyone in the congregation. They look down their long noses ensconced in their luxurious mansions at the great, carnal unwashed and condemn them for being in violation of the same scriptures they choose to ignore themselves.

The HYPOCRISY IS MORE THAN I CAN STAND! (Yes, I AM SHOUTING)

I've observed the disgusting hypocrisy of this position for years and it sickens me.

Couldn't agree more! In fact, I was just at a camp-meeting last night where there was soooo much costly array & big goofy hair-do's that it made me sick. However, the Word still says "not with gold, pearls, or costly array..." What part of "N-O-T" don't you understand???? Sheesh!

Just because someone else is inconsistent in their "stands" against jewelry doesn't mean that you throw out the baby w/ the bath-water. I, personally, do not even wear a watch, as I feel that's it's hypocritical to blast someone else for a wedding band [which I teach against].....then actaully WEAR a watch-band!

So, in the final analysis, I agree w/ much of what you've stated above, but would simply add that inconsistency does not equal invalidation. I rarely check in on here anymore, so may take me a while to respond. Blessings....

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by rdp

Agree, "people refuse to see what is right before their eyes." "....N-O-T with gold, or pearls, or costly array." [I Tim. 2:9].

Do you know what the term "not" means?

Let's get this in contex:
Amplified Bible
9Also [I desire] that women should adorn themselves modestly and appropriately and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with [elaborate] hair arrangement or gold or pearls or expensive clothing,

10But by doing good deeds (deeds in themselves good and for the good and advantage of those contacted by them), as befits women who profess reverential fear for and devotion to God.

First, it doesn't say N-O-T jewelry, but elaborate hair, gold, pearls and expensive clothing. So some churches say n-o-t jewelry but elaborate hair and expensive clothing are fine?

Second, the focus is to get away from external appearance and focus on serving people.

By the way, I don't wear jewelry, but I don't think wearing pretty things are sinful if they don't turn heads (aka drawing attention to oneself.) I think an outfit that draws attention is worse than someone wearing something simple with simple jewelry. Still, I am judging here, who cares what I think!! LOL God's word does not say no jewelry, period.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Josh Lechte

Wow...this site is filled with libs trying to justify their worldy wants through the scripture. Why wear jewelry? Wearing jewelry only serves purpose for your ownselves. It gives no glory to God.
And your attitude does?
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

You stubborn lukewarm libs are blind and hardened. You wanna do what you wanna do, regardless...you just twist or disregard the scripture to fit your sinful minds.

And you are not twisting scripture to say what you want it to say?

Dispicable. Paul talked about your kind. It will be hard for you people to ever see the truth because your justifications of your wants and lusts of this world overwelm your humility to learn and submit yourself. I usually laugh at liberals...the libs in the political world, but you libs..I'm apalled and disgusted.

Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

[Krt]

I have been in camp meetings too where the hairdos and apparel were so fancy, I wondered if we were reading the same bible? so what is it that people interpret it different / have different level of convictions?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

Let's get this in contex:
Amplified Bible
9Also [I desire] that women should adorn themselves modestly and appropriately and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with [elaborate] hair arrangement or gold or pearls or expensive clothing,

10But by doing good deeds (deeds in themselves good and for the good and advantage of those contacted by them), as befits women who profess reverential fear for and devotion to God.

First, it doesn't say N-O-T jewelry, but elaborate hair, gold, pearls and expensive clothing. So some churches say n-o-t jewelry but elaborate hair and expensive clothing are fine?

Second, the focus is to get away from external appearance and focus on serving people.

By the way, I don't wear jewelry, but I don't think wearing pretty things are sinful if they don't turn heads (aka drawing attention to oneself.) I think an outfit that draws attention is worse than someone wearing something simple with simple jewelry. Still, I am judging here, who cares what I think!! LOL God's word does not say no jewelry, period.

The Amplified Bible is not a translation that I would appeal to for accurate exegesis...though it does have some good points. However, even your own quotation above says "not" w/ gold. The "elaborate" is in brackets, which means that it was added by the Amplified Bible translators, not found in the original wording. All you have to do is go to the front of the translation & it'll tell you this. So, the Bible still says "not with....gold." Sorry, it's still there. Out of pocket for a while....Blessings.

[Godsdrummer]

Ho Hum

and around and round we will go.

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by rdp

The Amplified Bible is not a translation that I would appeal to for accurate exegesis...though it does have some good points. However, even your own quotation above says "not" w/ gold. The "elaborate" is in brackets, which means that it was added by the Amplified Bible translators, not found in the original wording. All you have to do is go to the front of the translation & it'll tell you this. So, the Bible still says "not with....gold." Sorry, it's still there. Out of pocket for a while....Blessings.

But it STILL doesn't say no jewelry. Not all jewelry is gold or costly. I am sure that I see "holiness" women wear more expensive clothing than most of the jewelry that my friends wear.

[Mirth1981]

Uh oh...My wedding band is gold (and my husband's).

[rdp]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

But it STILL doesn't say no jewelry. Not all jewelry is gold or costly. I am sure that I see "holiness" women wear more expensive clothing than most of the jewelry that my friends wear.

Deut. 7:25 references gold & silver. Is. 3 enumerates many ornaments & God calls if "filth" in chp. 4. The clothing articles mentioned there most likely refers to the intertwining of gold & silver into these articles. The entire context of Is. 3 is the ostentatious & extravagant. Sooo many more that I could reference, but pressed for time.

As mentioned earlier, my wife & I do not wear expensive clothing. Indeed, most of my suits come from Wal-Mart, which costs no more than $80. Most of the time I wait for them to go on clearance & get them for around $40.

Again, just because there are some who violate these principles does not mean that you throw out the baby w/ the bathwater. Some claim genuine repentance, but show fruit otherwise. Should we therefore now stop teaching repentance to a lost world?