Ron, are you angry at the anonymity, or the things people say with anonymity that you feel is cowardly and lacks credibility?
I think I understand what you're saying. I'm anonymous for a reason, as most are. But if I want to leak BREAKING NEWS that is all hearsay, I need some credibility. I get that. In this case, we all had the opportunity of hearing PM's words out of his own mouth and were able to discuss that.
Someone willing to post some "sense!"
Thier is a lot of "negativity" on the forum (at least towards the UPC or anyone who is not liberal) & I just posted that it was a message that had a lot of substance to it.
If people who listened only heard "meetings" they missed the gist of the message IMHO.
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Oh don't start shoving him around. Keep it on a higher ground. If he wants to rant, let him. He never said it torments him. I hate these playground antics sometimes.
This is a view strictly from the outside as I've never been in the UPC and have no real attachment to the issues being discussed.
What I find odd is that of all the innuendo and rumor included by those who are speaking against the Detroit meeting, their posts seem to be devoid of any details of what actually occured at the invitation only gathering. Do those of you who are criticizing the brothers for meeting having specific details from credible sources about what was actually discussed that would be hurtful to the UPC?
What I see is a lot of groaning and complaining just because the meeting was in an exclusive setting where only certain bretheren were invited. That, in and of itself, doesn't seem that bothersome to me, without knowing the facts of what was discussed.
Just from the outside looking in, it seems like those who weren't invited are upset that they weren't included and have resorted to fear mongering and rumor mongering.
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Assistant General Superintendent, Paul D Mooney (IN), last night, at the Mississippi Camp meeting(most notably known for Greg Godwin and Borat) has seemingly railed- as perceived by some of his ministerial peers who have heard this message - against the recent invitation-only ministerial fellowship meeting that took place several weeks ago in Pontiac (Detroit) Michigan asking "who holds secret meetings?"
Mooney who recently headed a committee appointed by General Superintendent Kenneth Haney called the Committee For Inquiry of the Emerging took a page from the committee's recommendation to "affirm the Apostolic doctrine and Biblical holiness positions in campmeeting and conferences throughout the UPCI" in his sermon entitled "Intentional Confrontation".
This message is hailed by some already for its aggressive defense and/or offense for "the message".
What is unclear from the tone of this message is if Mooney is in step with another committee recommendation which states: "Establish a caring atmosphere within the UPCI in which individual Pastors are encouraged to maintain Apostolic doctrine."
Mooney alludes to the actions of some brethren as "cunning","conniving", "crafting" and that God is testing the Church in these last days with "dreamers" and "false prophets".
This on the heels of his recent Twitter post the day before the Detroit meeting in which he stated: "Good things, honest things, meaningful things, positive things, pure things, ethical things, are never done in secret ..."
What is unclear from the tone of this message is if Mooney is in step with another committee recommendation which states: "Establish a caring atmosphere within the UPCI in which individual Pastors are encouraged to maintain Apostolic doctrine."