Do you believe the innocent party in a situation

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think they were both wrong. He is still remiss in not loving her as Christ loved the church.

Of course they were both WRONG. No one is denying that.

But, still, if you choose to commit adultery, it was your choice and yours alone.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Of course they were both WRONG. No one is denying that.

But, still, if you choose to commit adultery, it was your choice and yours alone.

Still agreeing with you.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Well, that's the happy ending because he was forgiving of what she did and took ownership of him not loving her like he should. That is good.

Right, sometimes good things come out of bad. Some situations are not across the board and have huge bumps in the road. Some mistakes and decisions look worse than others, but even in that - if we recognize the weakness and go to God - He will work it for the good. Apparently, from what I understand, this is exactly what happened in this situation.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Of course they were both WRONG. No one is denying that.

But, still, if you choose to commit adultery, it was your choice and yours alone.

You are still walking past and denying there is some culpability on each part in I Cor 7:5. It is not what "we" say or think, it's what does the Word of God say?

I will not be changing my mind on this one. Mainly, because my husband and I discussed this last night and are in agreement - together! Think of that!

I see admonitions in I Cor 7:5 and also in I Cor 8:9-12.

I Cor 8:9 "But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

I Cor 8:12 "But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ."

Even though I Cor 8 is speaking on eating meat offered to idols, it still bears out the fact that if a brother is weak, you can cause him to sin, thereby, yourself also sinning against Christ.

For all of our pontificating - it would do us well not to overlook that!

Now, my hiney is numb from sitting here so long. I'll let you gals hash the rest of this out. You may have nothing to hash after I log out, since I am the only one in disagreement. Just spicing it up for ya, Renda!!

[rgcraig]

I read the scriptures and understand them, but for some reason I cannot apply them to this situation.

Not showing attention to your spouse to me isn't a sin against God, so therefore not seeing the connect.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by blueeyes

Do you believe the innocent party in a situation of adultery can remarry?


I saw this question on an old forum here, and I myself question the biblical reference to answer this question. I know many within the apostolic faith who believe that the innocent party is able to remarry within the church and receive God's blessings. However I am not sure....

Original question - - I believe I can remarry since my spouse committed adultery - it's Biblical.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I read the scriptures and understand them, but for some reason I cannot apply them to this situation.

Not showing attention to your spouse to me isn't a sin against God, so therefore not seeing the connect.

It's almost like saying that we are never going to be weak. The scriptures do not bear that out.

I Cor 10:12 "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."

This scripture is warning the father not to provoke his son to anger or he would become discouraged. Colossians 3:21 "Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged."

What do discouraged people do? They make bad decisions. They make mistakes. Does the father sin by not obeying the admonition in Colossians? Are we ever responsible for our ill treatment of another causing them in weakness to fall? The scriptures appear, IMO, very clear that we are just as culpable.

Sure, we have a host of scriptures instructing us on how to live a good, clean, moral and upstanding Christian life, BUT my contention is that we need to not overlook our part and the admonition in scripture, toward our actions in the lives of those that are weak.

That's all I'm trying to say.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It's almost like saying that we are never going to be weak. The scriptures do not bear that out.

I Cor 10:12 "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."

This scripture is warning the father not to provoke his son to anger or he would become discouraged. Colossians 3:21 "Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged."

What do discouraged people do? They make bad decisions. They make mistakes. Does the father sin by not obeying the admonition in Colossians? Are we ever responsible for our ill treatment of another causing them in weakness to fall? The scriptures appear, IMO, very clear that we are just as culpable.

Sure, we have a host of scriptures instructing us on how to live a good, clean, moral and upstanding Christian life, BUT my contention is that we need to not overlook our part and the admonition in scripture, toward our actions in the lives of those that are weak.

That's all I'm trying to say.

I understand all that and do agree, however, I get hung up here.

1 Corinthians 8:12 (New Living Translation)
12 And when you sin against other believers[a] by encouraging them to do something they believe is wrong, you are sinning against Christ.

I understand I Cor 7:5 is warning that if you defraud your spouse that you are setting them up for temptation. I cannot completely accept that I'm "encouraging them to do something they believe is wrong."

Sorry. I guess I can be just as stubborn as you.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I understand all that and do agree, however, I get hung up here.

1 Corinthians 8:12 (New Living Translation)
12 And when you sin against other believers[a] by encouraging them to do something they believe is wrong, you are sinning against Christ.

I understand I Cor 7:5 is warning that if you defraud your spouse that you are setting them up for temptation. I cannot completely accept that I'm "encouraging them to do something they believe is wrong."

Sorry. I guess I can be just as stubborn as you.

LOL! I think we should look at "setting them up for temptation" and stop right there, reflect on that for a bit. When we go on to completely accepting that we've encouraged them to do something that is wrong, we are missing the point - we are setting them up for temptation - that should be enough. In fact, that is the very thing we wanted to save our children from - temptation! Why would we want to hand that to our spouse?

Looking closer at I Cor 8:12, we first of all, have to identify who is weak. Because the person is either not identifying who is weak or they don't care. I can't tell which it is by looking at this scripture. The definition of "wound" is pretty intense - you just keep hitting them with the temptation over and over and over until they cave.

12But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound [(to “thump”, that is, cudgel or pummel (properly with a stick or bastinado), but in any case by repeated blows;] their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

LOL! I think we should look at "setting them up for temptation" and stop right there, reflect on that for a bit. When we go on to completely accepting that we've encouraged them to do something that is wrong, we are missing the point - we are setting them up for temptation - that should be enough. In fact, that is the very thing we wanted to save our children from - temptation! Why would we want to hand that to our spouse?

Looking closer at I Cor 8:12, we first of all, have to identify who is weak. Because the person is either not identifying who is weak or they don't care. I can't tell which it is by looking at this scripture. The definition of "wound" is pretty intense - you just keep hitting them with the temptation over and over and over until they cave.

12But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound [(to “thump”, that is, cudgel or pummel (properly with a stick or bastinado), but in any case by repeated blows;] their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

I don't even know why I'm discussing this because I never defrauded or would never defraud - - lol!