Sarah palin baptized in jesus name!!!! - Page 19

trickledown · #**181** 09-07-2008, 01:37 AM

Sam,
Thanks for the history lesson. I had family in the Pentecostal movement in the teens when it really started to fragment.
If you ever come across any extra copy or if you know of someone who has reproduced the original book or articles (not the UPCI edited version for later OP generations) please pass it along. I would love to have a copy.
We were brought up to put all who hadn't been buried in the Name of Jesus (all titles from Mt 28:19 left out) in a burning Hell. I don't pass those judgements so quickly anymore. The stories from my grandmother of the oldtime beliefs and stories like this one from Bro Urshan leave me in awe that it came to this.
Again thanks for the History Lesson.

TCSQ · #**182** 09-07-2008, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

According to some of the folks on this thread, if Anthony Mangun baptizes using that formula, then all the folks that he has baptized that way are baptized wrong and in danger of hell fire. Poor Anthony Mangun, I hope he gets the revelation some day about baptism before he goes to the hot place and takes all those poor unsuspecting folks with him.

Oneness Pentecostals can't even agree among themselves on what is the right and wrong way to baptize and they are notorious for anathemizing one another over the proper "formula" (or "incantation") and even rebaptizing one another.

As are ALL groups including the New Order Amish and the Old Order Amish or the Southern Baptist and Free Will Baptist. Wish we could stop attributing common human behaviour and nature to being a Oneness Pentecostal Trait rather than just human nature traits.

As to the Anthony Mangun "quote" in his baptismal usage of Matthew 28:19, has anyone actually PRODUCED an audio or video documentation of that or is it purely based on Hearsay? The reason I ask that is that from the very beginning I have heard dyed in the wool Oneness Preachers out on the west coast use phraseing that could be misreported as that but actually is quite different.

Brother Murray Layne of Fresno OFTEN used to baptized along that line saying to the candidate in the water...................
"Upon our Lords command to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost I now Obey that command by baptizing you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...
More intended to once again illuminate the meaning of Matthew 28:19 than to try and accomodate the trinitarian formula into a hybrid. It would not surprise me if the "quote" being attributed to brother Mangun is actually something a lot more akin to if not indeed a direct repeating OF that common Oneness usage of Matthew 28:19 to demonstrate a truth concerning the name of Jesus implied in it.

TRFrance · #**183** 09-07-2008, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

I have not read this entire thread, but after watching the video the thought that comes to my mind is "for such a time as this" just as Esther was placed in a high position "for such a time as this" to save her people. Perhaps Sarah is also placed or perhaps will be placed as an Esther for such a time as this.

Our nation needs healing.

Indeed. As I've said elsewhere, if God wants her to win, she will win. Its that simple.

By the way, for what it's worth, the newest Zogby poll now shows McCain/Palin leading by 4 points.

"The McCain/Palin ticket wins 49.7% support, compared to 45.9% backing for the Obama/Biden ticket, this latest online survey shows. Another 4.4% either favored someone else or were unsure. "

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1548

crakjak · #**184** 09-07-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TCSQ

As are ALL groups including the New Order Amish and the Old Order Amish or the Southern Baptist and Free Will Baptist. Wish we could stop attributing common human behaviour and nature to being a Oneness Pentecostal Trait rather than just human nature traits.

As to the Anthony Mangun "quote" in his baptismal usage of Matthew 28:19, has anyone actually PRODUCED an audio or video documentation of that or is it purely based on Hearsay? The reason I ask that is that from the very beginning I have heard dyed in the wool Oneness Preachers out on the west coast use phraseing that could be misreported as that but actually is quite different.

Brother Murray Layne of Fresno OFTEN used to baptized along that line saying to the candidate in the water...................
"Upon our Lords command to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost I now Obey that command by baptizing you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...
More intended to once again illuminate the meaning of Matthew 28:19 than to try and accomodate the trinitarian formula into a hybrid. It would not surprise me if the "quote" being attributed to brother Mangun is actually something a lot more akin to if not indeed a direct repeating OF that common Oneness usage of Matthew 28:19 to demonstrate a truth concerning the name of Jesus implied in it.

This is not hearsay, AM was our pastor in Plano, TX at the time, I heard it more than once, and believe you could easily confirm it by calling him and asking. BTW, I don't have any problem with the wording at all.

TCSQ · #**185** 09-07-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

This is not hearsay, AM was our pastor in Plano, TX at the time, I heard it more than once, and believe you could easily confirm it by calling him and asking. BTW, I don't have any problem with the wording at all.

Well if you were there you would certainly know better than I. Still I wonder if what he said twenty plus years ago may not have been more along the line of Murray Laynes habit mentioned in the post you responded to.

I found this clip of Pastor Mangun preaching on baptism in Jesus Name. Its not very thorough, but see no allusion here to any other name other than a specific baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=E4EdYhAq954

In this next clip he is even MORE emphatic about NOT baptizing in the titles but in the specific name of JESUS CHRIST. I see no even minor allusion to him alluding to baptizing the way you understood him to baptize in Plano.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=1DYdPR...sus%20Name.htm

SuzanneDeAZ · #**186** 09-08-2008, 04:39 PM

I saw a clip of her wearing a pant suit in an older video. Maybe she perfers to wear skirts when she is speaking.

SuzanneDeAZ · #**187** 09-08-2008, 04:42 PM

No, I have a bull dog and it would be impossible to put lipstick on her. It is "pit bulls" that she made reference to. Bull dog's lips are floppy. Try kissing one and you will find it is impossible.

rgcraig · #**188** 09-08-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzanneDeAZ

No, I have a bull dog and it would be impossible to put lipstick on her. It is "pit bulls" that she made reference to. Bull dog's lips are floppy. Try kissing one and you will find it is impossible.

She wasn't talking about putting lipstick on the dog - - - the difference between a soccer mom and a bulldog is lipstick - - meaning that the only difference in her and bulldog is SHE wears lipstick.