Ferd, all I'm saying is that it was not Obama that made Ayers a prominent figure in the Chicago political scene. Ayers had been accepted for years as a prominent member on boards and in politics. It was inevetable that their paths would cross given the similarity in their circles and career. It's not like Obama went out of the bounds of the Chicago political scene to find a shunned terrorist to befriend.
I have yet to see anything about Obama launching campaigns aside from what I already cited to you where the incumbent Senator announced her resignation. The location would not be of his own doing.
I wonder if Ayers ever crossed paths with any Republicans in Chicago politics? If we can connect a significant number of Chicago politicians with having worked with Ayers, mark them as having terrorist ties...then we might be able to convince Bush Chicago is a foreign country and get him to bomb it.
No but recognize that current policy is not working and has made things worse and not be so bullheaded that you don't pursue all feasible options. Recognize that we have put ourselves in a very tough situation and no solution will be fuzzy, feel-good perfect.
i agree to a point with you tstew, but i also believe that not talking to evil people no matter who they are , is speaking volumes, of course back door diplomacy functions almost always, dt
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Honestly Ayers and Wright and Flager represnt a kind of background but they dont really give you the detail of the man. I at least will aknowlege that. But when you place that in context with things like Obams use of the JFK meeting with NK in 1961, it gives a picture of a man who cannot be trusted to use good judgement.
add to that comments about invading an ally and talking to our foes.
add that to the fact that obama has offered a TRILLION dollars in new spending to an already bloated budget
add that to the FACT that Obama has already given up on winning in Iraq and has declaried a path to defeat as though it is a path to victoryand it paints a picture of a man who simply is too dangerious in his ideology to be president.
Ferd, it's ironic that you would make these two statements in one post because many people would argue that it was incredibly poor judgement that has gotten us to this point in Iraq....of course, it was something that Obama thought was bad judgement all along.
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I wonder if Ayers ever crossed paths with Republicans in Chicago politics?
republicans in chicago politics, that is almost laughable, chicago controls almost the whole state or illinois by its shear size and population, state politics yes but city, uh no, lol
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No but recognize that current policy is not working and has made things worse and not be so bullheaded that you don't pursue all feasible options. Recognize that we have put ourselves in a very tough situation and no solution will be fuzzy, feel-good perfect.
tstew. we dont completely agree that the policy related to Iran is failed.
but lets assume for arguments sake that it IS failed.
then lets take Obama at face value. Obama has clearly explained his position on this. and his position is to do something that failed to replace something that is failing and using the earlier failure as REASON to return to the earlier policy that failed!
If Obama were advocating something NEW then you would have a valid arguement. But he isnt advocting something new. He is advocating something that has both been done before and failed before, all the while (and this is the really important part)using the previous failure as reason to move back to that failed policy!
dont you see that?
Dude, if you want change in policy LOOK AT JOHN MCCAIN! the man articulated a vastly different policy in Iraq, and when the president listened to McCain, that new and different course has changed things for the better.
these are clearly 2 very different methods of approach one looking for NEW WORKABLE solutions and the other a retred of past failures!
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i agree to a point with you tstew, but i also believe that not talking to evil people no matter who they are , is speaking volumes, of course back door diplomacy functions almost always, dt
Talking to evil people is never pleasant...but apparently ignoring them doesn't make them less evil, dangerous, or a threat to us and our future.
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republicans in chicago politics, that is almost laughable, chicago controls almost the whole state or illinois by its shear size and population, state politics yes but city, uh no, lol
i really dont care what that dude wonders. its generally meaningless anyway.
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