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Old 06-04-2008, 02:12 PM
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Well, now that Obama earned the Dem nomination, I believe he is fair game to be scrutinized.

Hopefully it will have some facts.
I agree, that is why I posted the link to the actual list of his voting record. I will once again say that I am not really a supporter of any of the candidates...I'm just not the GWB supporter that I once was.
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:13 PM
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not you directly no, in general, yes. I'm not a republican. I'm a democrat, but they (the majority of the Dems) are soooo far to the right, they are equal to marxist communist! They're views are just outrageous! Now, Ferd and i will disagree, but I think SOMETHING has got to be done about America's health care. He thinks it's fine the way it is. Since the Republicans have been in office, it has almost taken out middle class under. gas prcies, housing, taxes are still high, but I don't think the Dems plan is going to work either.
But all the financial woes aside, there is something else at play here... I believe this is all a set up of the one world government
Not fine as it is, I just dont think tossing the baby out with the bathwater is smart.

nationalizing healthcare is no answer to what ails us.
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:13 PM
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that is a joke to say that obama did not interject race into this nomination process, he is the one making speeches and going to selma and claiming to be down for the struggle, yeah of course he is, my goodness, dt
True. Merely being the first black Presidential candidate brings race to the table. It's just life.
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:15 PM
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I agree, that is why I posted the link to the actual list of his voting record. I will once again say that I am not really a supporter of any of the candidates...I'm just not the GWB supporter that I once was.
and I think I at least dealt with spcifics about what Obama has SAID and what he stands for and how he as voted.

It IS about the core of his actual beliefs.

Just a note. i was watching some talking heads last night.

when the McCain guy was asked what policy McCain would pursue, he gave specifics.

when the Obama guy was asked, his answer was "the last 8 years have been a failure we must go in a new direction"

what is that? you want to talk about what these guys are talking about? I dont think Obama can take that kind of in depth look.
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True. Merely being the first black Presidential candidate brings race to the table. It's just life.
so very true, it is life, inevitalbe life, dt
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i just find it hard to believe that you danny, a person i think is bright could support the most liberal candidate to ever run for pres, and on top of that , a man with no practical experience running anything, dt
I think Bush's "facism" having been labeled "conservatism" has caused a backlash against "conservatism". So more people are willing to accept the more liberal candidate.

As for experience...the people in charge have tremendous amounts of experience and they're warmongering baffoons. Regardless of party, someone with less experience will be more likely to think outside of the box and listen to advisors. When people have tons of experience they often get locked into their personal notions and refuse to accept sound advice that contradicts what they think. This is what has gotten this administration into a lot of it's troubles.
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Maybe I was sloppy in how I said that. typing fast and mixing belief with a bit of sarcastic comedy....


I firmly believe that the democrats that picked up on that "mission accomplised" did infact disrespect the men and women who served during that phase of the war.

there is an old saying that if you repeat a lie enough, it becomes fact.

I cannot say that you mean disrespect. Ive posted with you enough to know better. I do believe that the line of thought, as it was devised as a political ploy against GWB was disrespectful and its disheartening when I see honest people who do respect our men and women in uniform repeat it.
Ferd, I was a GWB supporter at one point, but I am appalled at how the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were mismanaged. I am appalled at what seems to be an almost unprecedented bonanza for big business and powerful lobbies. Case in point, the willingness to turn the security our ports over to the highest bidder who just happened to be Saudi. I could go on and on but....
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:20 PM
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I didn't not say that Ferd.
Just as it is hard for me to grasp an American mindset, it is also hard for most Americans to grasp how the rest of the world views how American intervention
is perceived.

That is all I an trying to put forward.
No Ron you didnt say that OBAMA did!

and Ron, just a tidbit, after 9/11 I honestly dont care what the rest of the world thinks.

All I care about is no more muslims flying planes into American buildings and no more muslim nations supporting any form of terror.

beyond that the rest of the world can get frances stinky cheese stuck in their noses and drown in their gassy wine.
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I don't think many people can get excited about McCain but the alternative is disasterous for our country, our kids, and our grand kids.

I have never been one of those to whine about voting for the "lesser of evils". I have been enthusiastic about every Republican canidate except Bob Dole and now McCain.

However there is too much at stake with federal judicial appointments and the fact that the dems are going to pick up huge gains in the House and Senate this fall.

Even if McCain is a moderate Democrat vs. a liberal one that is better than the liberal one and someone is going to have to keep the huge new Democrat majority in both houses of Congress in check.
What do you really expect from McCain regarding the Supreme Court?
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:23 PM
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No Ron you didnt say that OBAMA did!

and Ron, just a tidbit, after 9/11 I honestly dont care what the rest of the world thinks.

All I care about is no more Muslims flying planes into American buildings and no more Muslim nations supporting any form of terror.

beyond that the rest of the world can get Frances stinky cheese stuck in their noses and drown in their gassy wine.
Fair enough Ferd, but don't be surprised if these thoughts and actions don't fuel
more Anti American sentiment and Terrorism.

What are you going to do?

Nuke the Middle East?

Perhaps this will usher in Armageddon.
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