Should Dan stay or go?

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by CC1

What is it about that name? In Greek does Dan mean "Pain in the butt"?

I don't think it's the first name equivalent, maybe the last name means that thought.........

Not all Dans cause soreness in the gluteus maximus .........

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by CC1

What is it about that name? In Greek does Dan mean "Pain in the butt"?

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

In every language!

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

With killer benefits

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Raven

I do know that we shout about how some missionary was able to smuggle some Bibles into a country that had laws that forbid them. Does the end justify the means here?
Raven

Oh yeah ... and what of the missionary stories of men in organizations we are familiar w/ that are preaching illegally in countries that do not want them to.

[El Predicador]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

Apples and oranges. Are the missionaries there to make money and happen to bring Bibles with them?

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Don't you see a huge difference here?

No one from mexico has to come to America to hear the Gospel.

Bibles are readily available in Mexico.

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[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

What's up with all the new posters coming out of the gate swinging wildly?

Weren't these the same group of people (lurkers) that DA, Timlan and others claimed they were "rocking the traditionalist boat" with their constant barrage of negative comments and remarks about the "organization"?

It doesn't appear that their plan to change/sway these folk's minds about their antiquated belief system turned our very well. Interesting!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Weren't these the same group of people (lurkers) that DA, Timlan and others claimed they were "rocking the traditionalist boat" with their constant barrage of negative comments and remarks about the "organization"?

It doesn't appear that their plan to change/sway these folk's minds about their antiquated belief system turned our very well. Interesting!

Interesting observation CBO.

You may have hit on something.

[El Predicador]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Weren't these the same group of people (lurkers) that DA, Timlan and others claimed they were "rocking the traditionalist boat" with their constant barrage of negative comments and remarks about the "organization"?

It doesn't appear that their plan to change/sway these folk's minds about their antiquated belief system turned our very well. Interesting!

CBO which "antiquated belief system" would that be:

What fellowship hath light with darkness or

Come out from among them and be ye separate?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

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Not apples in oranges ... we have missionaries going int countries breaking the law and feloniously "testifying" as not to preach ...

I'm sure they get offering for these testimonies ... not all their income is from PIMs ...

Yet I would never consider what they are doing to be criminal ... or question whether God is in the picture ...

I can share testimony after testimony of people who of course came here to make money but God changed their plans and transformed their lives based on the "felonious" decision they made ...

One pastor friend of mine just recently shared how his prayer warrior of a mother .... who was a pioneer in the Spanish work here in the States for the UPCI ...

Paid for his and sisters trip ... to fly to Mexico from Colombia ... to eventually enter the States illegally.

(keep in mind that not all undocumented aliens are from Mexico)

He and his sister were schedule to fly to Mexico then enter the States at the border ...

As they were going to board their plane to Mexico ... the officer in Colombia asked if he had his documents.

He did not.

In Colombia, it is a federal crime not to have various documents sealed and properly authorized ... the penalty is more the 5 years in prison.

His sister was allowed to board but he was detained and was escorted to a different location by a federal officer to be booked.

As they walked the long corridor ... this young man who was born in the church ... but now had backslidden and was entrenched in drug addiction ... made a prayer.

He prayed ... God if you let me get to my destination ... Mexico then the US ... I will serve you and one day serve you in the ministry.

As they walked ... the officer looked at him ... and said ... Vete ... just go!!!

He ran and had no idea how he go to the gate but he was never stopped and boarded that plane to Mexico ...

and eventually got to the States and settled for a time in New York ...

Where he flourished in the things of God under my dad's ministry ...

Eventually left NY ... got his legal status in the States in order more than a decade later ...

and is a UPCI pastor here in Houston.

He has impacted the Kingdom ... and many years as a "felonious" criminal.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Not apples in oranges ... we have missionaries going int countries breaking the law and feloniously "testifying" as not to preach ...

I'm sure they get offering for these testimonies ... not all their income is from PIMs ...

Yet I would never consider what they are doing to be criminal ... or question whether God is in the picture ...

I can share testimony after testimony of people who of course came here to make money but God changed their plans and transformed their lives based on the "felonious" decision they made ...

One pastor friend of mine just recently shared how his prayer warrior of a mother .... who was a pioneer in the Spanish work here in the States for the UPCI ...

Paid for his and sisters trip ... to fly to Mexico from Colombia ... to eventually enter the States illegally.

(keep in mind that not all undocumented aliens are from Mexico)

He and his sister were schedule to fly to Mexico then enter the States at the border ...

As they were going to board their plane to Mexico ... the officer in Colombia asked if he had his documents.

He did not.

In Colombia, it is a federal crime not to have various documents sealed and properly authorized ... the penalty is more the 5 years in prison.

His sister was allowed to board but he was detained and was escorted to a different location by a federal officer to be booked.

As they walked the long corridor ... this young man who was born in the church ... but now had backslidden and was entrenched in drug addiction ... made a prayer.

He prayed ... God if you let me get to my destination ... Mexico then the US ... I will serve you and one day serve you in the ministry.

As they walked ... the officer looked at him ... and said ... Vete ... just go!!!

He ran and had no idea how he go to the gate but he was never stopped and boarded that plane to Mexico ...

and eventually got to the States and settled for a time in New York ...

Where he flourished in the things of God under my dad's ministry ...

Eventually left NY ... got his legal status in the States in order more than a decade later ...

and is a UPCI pastor here in Houston.

He has impacted the Kingdom ... and many years as a "felonious" criminal.

Tell it Daniel, tears in my eyes, but thank you Jesus for this great testimony to Your grace.

[El Predicador]

Daniel,

The testimony is truly great, but it was in spite of committing a crime not because of it.

If it were meant to be God would have found a way for it to be done properly.