When the wife does an occasional girls night out or a work trip....it get pretty cavemanish out on my deck...a grill, a cow, and hot peppers!!!!! I only come up for air!
sometimes , I force my wife to endure these events.
she generally doesnt complain.
I have found the lime to be the key to good Mex-style grilling. (it may be tex-mex but what ever)
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what about a 14 year old that comes from a broken home with no saftynet who got drunk and ended up doing something she should not have done? do we make an exception for that?
A 14 year old knows right from wrong. She clearly knows she shouldn't be drinking at that age too!
If there's a broken home, there are school counselor's, pastors, relatives, etc. that will help mentor a child within proper steps.
If she feels mature enough to drink and engage in sexual intercourse, then she'll have to be mature enough to care for her child.
A 14 year old knows right from wrong. She clearly knows she shouldn't be drinking at that age too!
If there's a broken home, there are school counselor's, pastors, relatives, etc. that will help mentor a child within proper steps.
If she feels mature enough to drink and engage in sexual intercourse, then she'll have to be mature enough to care for her child.
No exceptions.
my friend, my experience of 15 years in youth ministry tells me that kind of kid is nowhere near what you suggest and has far less support than you are providing.
that doesnt mean I support abortion for them... on the contrary i am simply pointing out that it is quite often extremely complicated.
anyone approaching the subject without being willing to have extrem empathy for those faced with a terrible reality ought not approach the subject...
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That's because God gave us the intelligence to know that meat needs to be cooked. We don't eat it raw or rip it off the body of the animal we are eating. Plus, we have the use of our hands. That's why we don't have teeth like an animal.
Sometimes I wonder if people actually think about what they are posting before they post it.
Did Adam kill and eat in the Garden? We are told specifically that he was granted to eat of every "tree" of the Garden. The Garden reflect's God's perfect will regarding man's design not norms in our fallen state. (Animal death was absent in the garden, Adam and Eve were vegetarians.)
Some I wonder if people actually read what the Bible says before they post it. lol
If a woman willfully engages in sexual intercourse, she shouldn't be allowed to abort, even if the condom brakes or the anti-birth pills were defective.
If a woman feels to emulate Jezebel, she should responsibly accept the outcome! Furthermore, a man should also take responsibility and raise his child!
I only see one exception for abortion, if a woman is raped, and eventually becomes pregnant through rape.
Here’s my stance on abortion.
Abortion is morally wrong in every circumstance with the possible exception of when the lives of both are compromised. To sanction abortion in the event of rape is to morally accept the murder of an unborn child for the sin of its father. It is morally wrong to abort even in cases of rape or incest.
My question is in regards to state power. Does the state have authority to essentially seize the body of a woman, assume ownership of the unborn child, and force her to give birth? What does the state do to women who resist or don’t comply? All arguments against abortion typically argue that it should be illegal but the polemic stops there and the concept isn’t carried to fruition. Assuming that the state does have the authority to seize the body of a woman and assume ownership of the unborn child, what would the penalty be for a woman who procured abortion? If abortion is murder the state should prosecute her for murder. However, this has never happened in American history and it’s pretty practical to assume that unless we take over the government by military force and institute a Taliban style regime a woman will never be charged for murder in relation to abortion. Same problems exist with regards to prosecuting abortionists. So, what do we do then? Some say we fine the woman and/or the abortionist. Ok…but now life is measured in value compared to a parking ticket. Wealthy women will just pay the fines and walk away. Essentially the only ones penalized will be those who struggle to pay it (which isn’t a bad idea, the . But the real issue with the fine is that it becomes a source of government revenue. Essentially it is an “abortion tax” and government profits from abortion. Lastly, some say that the license of a doctor should be revoked. That would be good, but most abortions aren’t performed by licensed doctors.
Not of the above truly address abortion as murder. And if abortion isn’t “murder” then on what grounds do we make it illegal? Also, even if it is successfully made illegal, the battle’s not won. Pro-Choice forces will seek to overturn abortions prohibition. And then there’s that…prohibition. Policies of prohibition appear to always backfire creating more of a problem than the problem they were intended to address. For example, Prohibition in the US when alcohol was outlawed. A black market of abortion provision will be born and abortion will essentially drop off the map of government oversight.
While no one I know (Democrat or Republican) believes that abortion is a good thing, and Christians definitely see it as a murderous sin. Life is full of life and death choices. Government is a dirty job. It’s hardly if ever clean and noble. Its grit, sweat, and law. Rule to enforce social stability. The SCOTUS ruled that Government should step aside and that this most controversial decision and all its physical, moral, and psychological consequences should rest entirely on the individual woman. Those way the government’s hands are clean and the responsibility is entirely on individual women who choose the procedure.
So what penalties will be enforced upon women and abortionists in the case of an abortion if abortion is made illegal?
But abortion, regardless of legality, is immoral with the only possible exception of when attempting to save the mother’s life when the child and mother would die anyway. I know many who would say even in this case, one should trust God to decide who lives and who dies, but in my opinion, that’s problematic.
I find it interesting how serious we view this sin politically…yet we do very little in our congregations regarding it. In my opinion women who have procured abortion shouldn’t be licensed or allowed to serve in leadership offices of the church. Member? Sure. But not a board member or official of the church. There is a price to pay for this most heinous of sins. I know churches that will not ordain or allow a divorced man to serve as a licensed minister or church official. The church is just in setting certain boundaries that should never be crossed if one is to be accepted into leadership. But that’s just my opinion.
Daniel, I was being over the top again. made me smile anyway.
No. if you want to be a vegtible eater that is perfectly fine and not the spirit of Anti-Christ, however when one crosses a line and begins to seek to make others conform it is the spirit of anti-christ.
I would say that if a person needed to eat no meat due to health reasons, its fine. but when you do it because killing a goat is murder, you have crossed a line that I dont want to be anywhere near.
1 Timothy 4
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
The "spirit" was that they forbid eating of meats as a religious practice
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the later times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits and demonic teachings,
1Ti 4:2 influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared.
1Ti 4:3 They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creation of God is good and no food is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving.
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by God's word and by prayer.
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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The "spirit" was that they forbid eating of meats as a religious practice
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the later times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits and demonic teachings,
1Ti 4:2 influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared.
1Ti 4:3 They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creation of God is good and no food is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving.
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by God's word and by prayer.
yea Prax, we covered that. DanielR and I are on the same page.
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Hermenuetically God was refering to the Gentiles, not diet.
But...
As I reflected on the notion of Christian vegetarianism I began to consider some things. I’m a big meat eater and I was over 245 lbs, and at my height (5.4”) that’s a heart attack waiting to happen. My mother died last year of a heart attack at 54 years old and everyone in my family over 50 has already had some form of heart surgery. I was 31 years old and my blood pressure was through the roof. After consulting with my doctor she advised that I eat less red meats and that I eat more fruits, vegetables and sea food. I’ve now lost a lot of weight and my blood pressure has stabilized. Things look good in all the tests now. Eating meat in modest amounts isn’t a problem, but when meat is eaten with every meal and if that meat is high in fat, fried, or is red meat the body suffers. I believe this is by design, we’re not designed for so much meat intake. Many who are big on meat are men given over to appetite and excess, obese, and abusing their bodies… the temple of the Holy Ghost. While they might decry the idea of drinking a glass of wine with dinner (something found to be pretty good for us) and smoking, they are more than willing to down massive steaks, cheeseburgers, friend chicken, gravy, and all the “fixin’s”. I know…I was there. What they fail to realize is that these foods are more deadly and cause more harm to the temple (our bodies) than modest intake of wine or spirits. Yes, regular eating of a double cheeseburger and fries (especially Super Sized) will do more harm to the body than a glass of Merlot or Chardonnay with dinner or before bed 4 to 5 times a week. Most people I know eat like this for lunch and dinner day in and day out. It’s no wonder America has such a high obesity rate. Man wasn’t designed to be a carnivore.
I have great respect for those who have the discipline to eat vegetarian diets. Those vegetarians who eat a diverse range of fruits and vegetables and grains get all the nutrients they need and they are far healthier by and large than their meat eating counterparts. In a sense vegetarians are returning to man’s Edenic eating habits.
While eating meat isn’t a sin…abusing the temple of God (our bodies) is. Eating too much meat and being obese has to be sin by virtue of how bad it is for your body. Bad health or being obese hinders your ministry, your witness, and essentially buries the light you have under a bushel of fat. This is why I believe God condemned gluttony in the OT. Gluttony, in my opinion, is not only “overeating” but I also see it as undisciplined eating that causes serious harm to our bodies. I put it on the same moral level as fornication. If a man commits fornication he sins against his own body…so to if a man fails to eat properly and damages his health he sins against his own body.
God began to speak to me about this subject after my bout with high blood pressure and other health issues that were the result of my eating habits. I don’t mean this in any condemnatory way, I present it as an admonition from someone who’s been there and done that. Dear brothers and sisters…beware of the idolatrous flesh pots of Egypt.
Ultimately God was referring to the tearing down of the dividing wall. I just read this yesterday in Ephesians
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility Eph 2:15by abolishing the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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