Obama Addresses Racial "Anger" - Page 19

MissBrattified · #**181** 03-19-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

Wasn't Ruth a Moabite and then there's the prostitute Rahab who I don't believe was Jewish.

Oh, I see.

I thought you were saying he was 1/2 one race and 1/2 another. (Which is what I would define as a "mulatto.") As far as the man, Jesus, the only biological parent was Mary, so Joseph's bloodline was physically irrelevant.

But I agree--the bloodline of Christ (and David) contained at least a couple of Gentiles.

BrotherEastman · #**182** 03-19-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Dude....my first pastor used the "N" word and called mixed babies an abomination. He also refused to conduct mixed weddings. I sat under him until his death. His ministry was powerful and valuable to me. Would you consider me a racist?

I'll only answer that question with this question. Was this pastor you set under who used those words as prominent as Rev Jerimiah Wright? What about you, are you as prominant as Barack Obama? Are you going to run for president? Big difference Dude!

StillStanding · #**183** 03-19-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I'll only answer that question with this question. Was this pastor you set under who used those words as prominent as Rev Jerimiah Wright? What about you, are you as prominant as Barack Obama? Are you going to run for president? Big difference Dude!

When you have political asperations, you choose your friends and aquaintences wisely. Obama said that the Rev. Wright was like an uncle that he disagrees with every once in a while.

hmmmmmm.......you can choose your friends, but you're STUCK with family!! You have to work with your relationship with your uncle, but you you can choose a different pastor or friend if you go sideways in beliefs.

There was an interesting statistic I read today somewhere that said only 35% of whites will stay with the same church over their lifetime, while 70% of blacks will stay. The reasoning was that in the black culture, they are more loyal and seem to want to work through their differences more.

dizzyde · #**184** 03-19-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Barb

I think Sen. Obama is desperately trying to win a nomination, and in the process realizes he MUST distance himself from the statements of his pastor.

I don't think he is "race-baiting...'

Without going through every page of this thread, I'm sure that someone has already agreed with this, but yes, I agree with you Barb. I think that the only thing that Obama was doing with this speech is absolutely affirm he is learning how to be a consummate politician.

As a politician in his current position, the stance that he took with this speech is really the only one that he could have with out completely alienating everyone. He rode the fence, and personally, I don't fault him for that. That is after all what politicians do if they have any hope of making it.

Which is why nothing much that comes out of any politicians mouth means anything to me.

Ron · #**185** 03-19-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzyde

Without going through every page of this thread, I'm sure that someone has already agreed with this, but yes, I agree with you Barb. I think that the only thing that Obama was doing with this speech is absolutely affirm he is learning how to be a consummate politician.

As a politician in his current position, the stance that he took with this speech is really the only one that he could have with out completely alienating everyone. He rode the fence, and personally, I don't fault him for that. That is after all what politicians do if they have any hope of making it.

Which is why nothing much that comes out of any politicians mouth means anything to me.

Eureka!

Another revelation comes!

Sad but true.

ChristopherHall · #**186** 03-19-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I think Obama is attempting Damage Control. He had to have known what his own Pastor believed and preached. Him denying it makes me really wonder about the man....either he is lying or he just calls this his church in order to say he is a Christian (but never attends really).

And yes that is enough to make me not want to vote for him. Ok McCain had an affair...so far we just don't know if Obama did or not, but there is enough going on as it is to not trust him.

I can agree with some of what you said. I definitely think Obama is in damage control mode. I'd be really upset if I were running for President and my pastor said something that could be so inflammatory. I also agree that Obama had to know what his former pastor believed and taught. But I do think he sees it differently than we do. Most likely one on one and in person Jeremiah is a very likable man who respects people of all colors. However behind the pulpit I'm sure Obama has heard him say things that pushed the envelope. We all know preachers do this sometimes to capture the congregation's attention or shock them into considering implications of what is being said. I'm sure Obama heard these sermons but viewed them as extremely passionate civil rights preaching. Know how his pastor respects all people he probably never saw as being racist in any way. Obama most likely walked away from many a sermon challenged. Challenged to address the social issues facing his people and people in poverty. Obama isn't a preacher, he probably has a "Jeremiah Light" approach that takes some of Jeremiah's vision for social justice and tempers it with political experience and knowledge.

It's strange...but we human beings can listen to a single speaker or read a single poem and walk away with different impressions based on how we think personally.

I think if someone was going to vote for Obama before this they're most likely intelligent enough to look into the deeper issues underlying this situation. I'm white and most of the white folks I know who are supporting Obama are the kind that seek to understand as opposed to being reactionary.

ChristopherHall · #**187** 03-19-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by COOPER

WHITE!

And anything remotely negative spoken against Blacks by any one in the Media, celeb, political offices, etc..... it's all over for that person.

Then I'd have to agree with you. LOL

It's like family. I have a rather rude and obnoxious uncle. He comes over and visits on Christmas and we put up with him. We all kinda talk about him...but don't let another person outside of the family talk about him. We'll defend each other. That's just the way things are. LOL

I see this much the same way. Blacks can talk about blacks and issues facing blacks. They can criticize one another and go back and forth on the issues. They're a family. But...let a little white guy like me jump in and start criticizing or trying to "correct" them with how they see the world and look out! LOL

Bro...that's just life man.

ChristopherHall · #**188** 03-19-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Perhaps it would be better to say, I'm surprised that so many white folks who are also Apostolic still think like this.

I'm still not sure why that makes you embarrassed to be Apostolic, considering the numbers of white folks who are Apostolic.

LOL It was a figure of speech sis.

I think it's more than just "white folks who are also Apostolic". From where I come from I'm not surprised to hear of white folk who have some of the views expressed. But an Apostolic...now that is something we have to really look at . An Apostolic should be some one who seeks to understand other races, their perspectives, their battles, and seek healing and common ground. It doesn't mean we don't disagree on some things...but we all can agree that the underlying issue of pain and distrust, especially for those in Jeremiah's generation is very real and what is said should be understood in that context.