Are You Eliminating Debt/Backstocking Food?

[EA]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Seriously, Ed - I don't feel alarmed.

No, no no. I didn't say alarmed. I have never advocated alarm.

I asked if you are more concerned now than you were then.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by brotherjason

Just north of us they either laid off or are going to lay off 800 steal mill workers. Last one out of the Ohio valley would you please turn out the lights?

Jobs have always been a little scarce around here but I was a roving construction worker so no big deal, but man, all these people can't just pick and move and if they did where to?

I forget which town in Ohio but a couple or more weeks ago an air freight company is closing down and laying off thousands of workers. I am told that it will shut down the whole city when they do finally close.

This is serious...at least for those folks.

[MissBrattified]

My perspective is...

1. Everyone should be eliminating debt. That's just smart, generally speaking.
2. It doesn't hurt to have some beans, rice, powdered milk and bottled water in the pantry for hard times.
3. IF the U.S. is going to go under any time soon, even the best planners are going to go belly up right along with it, so what good does it do to fret and worry and bury money in your yard?

I refuse to walk around worried about politics and governments and things I have no control over. We can plan and make sure we have control over some small things, but in the end, if a true economic (or other) crisis were to occur, we'd all be in the same position of leaning on God and each other for help.

Bottom line--planning is good, but it shouldn't be taken too far, and we shouldn't live in fear of what tomorrow may bring.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

No, no no. I didn't say alarmed. I have never advocated alarm.

I asked if you are more concerned now than you were then.

No. I know God is in control and I'm tired of the way the world is going and so I don't care if I die tonight or the world ends. I just don't care.

[EA]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

My perspective is...

1. Everyone should be eliminating debt. That's just smart, generally speaking.
2. It doesn't hurt to have some beans, rice, powdered milk and bottled water in the pantry for hard times.
3. IF the U.S. is going to go under any time soon, even the best planners are going to go belly up right along with it, so what good does it do to fret and worry and bury money in your yard?

I refuse to walk around worried about politics and governments and things I have no control over. We can plan and make sure we have control over some small things, but in the end, if a true economic (or other) crisis were to occur, we'd all be in the same position of leaning on God and each other for help.

Bottom line--planning is good, but it shouldn't be taken too far, and we shouldn't live in fear of what tomorrow may bring.

I think we should plan ahead. Maybe I have an overactive provider/father drive?

I would hate to get in the middle of a massive food shortage and wish to God above that I would have planned better for it. Especially if my kids were hungry.

Jews throughout Europe had warnings that Hitler hated them and had malevolent intent. But they simply refused to believe that he would actually do what he did. They refused to believe reality, and by the time they realized truth, it was too late.

I am not blaming them for the Holocaust. What a horrible time.

But sometimes we do not want to believe what we know is true, even when evidence is mounting.

[brotherjason]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

I forget which town in Ohio but a couple or more weeks ago an air freight company is closing down and laying off thousands of workers. I am told that it will shut down the whole city when they do finally close.

This is serious...at least for those folks.

That sounds like Midland Pa in the late 70's early 80's, the whole town worked there plus just about everyone in a 15 mile radius, was a nice town from what I heard but now the only thing you can do is buy crack. The mill went out and that was the end of that nice little town.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by brotherjason

That sounds like Midland Pa in the late 70's early 80's, the whole town worked there plus just about everyone in a 15 mile radius, was a nice town from what I heard but now the only thing you can do is buy crack. The mill went out and that was the end of that nice little town.

I noticed something about myself as I've been going through what I've been going through. My desire to start drinking alcohol started to kick in.

I have not given in and I won't-- not even an option. I do understand though when times are rough, how folks can turn to vice for solace.

It's a terrible thing to do, but I am living and seeing how it happens.

Thank God for Grace!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I think we should plan ahead. Maybe I have an overactive provider/father drive?

I would hate to get in the middle of a massive food shortage and wish to God above that I would have planned better for it. Especially if my kids were hungry.

Jews throughout Europe had warnings that Hitler hated them and had malevolent intent. But they simply refused to believe that he would actually do what he did. They refused to believe reality, and by the time they realized truth, it was too late.

I am not blaming them for the Holocaust. What a horrible time.

But sometimes we do not want to believe what we know is true, even when evidence is mounting.

I believe in provision and planning ahead. I'm a mother of three, after all.

However, if I sat around and envisioned all of the terrible possibilities that could occur in the future, and negatively affect the health, safety and wellbeing of my children, I would shortly have a heart attack, or at least an anxiety attack. My imagination can take me terrible places very quickly, especially when it comes to my children.

The truth is, that while we can and should provide for the future, that we still must at the end of the day place our worries and cares with God where they belong. If things truly go bad, it will be bad for everyone--including those with a few extra groceries, ammo and gold in their safe.

I'm not saying one shouldn't plan. Look at Joseph--planned ahead for a 7 year famine, and ended up aiding the family who had (mostly) forsaken him. God does give us the wisdom to make good decisions, but yet, none of the family back home could have predicted Joseph would end up in Egypt, or that he would be the one to give them food in time of famine, could they? That was purely providential intervention and care. God providing for what they couldn't possibly predict--or maybe even adequately plan for, had they known.

There are all kinds of terrible possibilities, especially when it comes to our children growing up in this world. But children have grown up in much worse times than these. And survived. And thrived. And been greater Christians with greater character because of it.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I believe in provision and planning ahead. I'm a mother of three, after all.

However, if I sat around and envisioned all of the terrible possibilities that could occur in the future, and negatively affect the health, safety and wellbeing of my children, I would shortly have a heart attack, or at least an anxiety attack. My imagination can take me terrible places very quickly, especially when it comes to my children.

The truth is, that while we can and should provide for the future, that we still must at the end of the day place our worries and cares with God where they belong. If things truly go bad, it will be bad for everyone--including those with a few extra groceries, ammo and gold in their safe.

I'm not saying one shouldn't plan. Look at Joseph--planned ahead for a 7 year famine, and ended up aiding the family who had (mostly) forsaken him. God does give us the wisdom to make good decisions, but yet, none of the family back home could have predicted Joseph would end up in Egypt, or that he would be the one to give them food in time of famine, could they? That was purely providential intervention and care. God providing for what they couldn't possibly predict--or maybe even adequately plan for, had they known.

There are all kinds of terrible possibilities, especially when it comes to our children growing up in this world. But children have grown up in much worse times than these. And survived. And thrived. And been greater Christians with greater character because of it.

And the difference with Joseph is that God told him to plan and told him what was going to happen and how long it would last.

The way everything is nowadays, it's easy to have a heart attack. There is SO MUCH DRAMA!!!!

I'm tired of people being offended if I don't panic about everything. It's is so annoying!

Okay, I feel better. I'm going to bed.

Abigail!!! I hope you have a wonderful, blessed and

Love all the times we have spent posting together with everyone!

[Pressing-On]

to you also EA!!!