End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

Millions of angels would gladly volunteer to help us, or to take the place God offers to the poorest child of his, in the spreading of this glorious gospel, and the ushering in of another age....but they are excluded--but not so with the women.

The evangelization of the world is not given into the hands of angels but to consecrated men and women. GO YE is still some of our Lord's last words....Go ye and preach....and the first church went everywhere preaching....

[Sister Alvear]

In Micah 6:4 we have this language.--"For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt and redeemed thee out of the house of servants: and sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam." Miriam, without doubt was one of the divinely appointed leaders of the children of Israel, and closely associated with her brothers in both civil and ecclesiastical authority. For the record says "I have sent before thee Moses, Aaron and Miriam."
God said, I have sent before thee Moses, Aaron and Miriam....

Miriam was what? A prophet...a woman prophet....Sanballat said to Nehemiah, "Thou hast also appointed Prophets to preach of thee at Jerusalem." Then according to Sanballat, the first thing a Prophet is to do, is to preach for some one having been appointed to do so. (Nem. 6:7)

I Cor. 14:3,4, we have this concerning the work of a Prophet, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation and comfort: But he that prophesieth edifieth the church."

and Paul tells us ALL to desire to prophecy....

Speak as God's mouthpeice...

[Sister Alvear]

notice Huldah...
2 Cro. 34
22 And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college and they spake to her to that effect.

23 And she answered them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Tell ye the man that sent you to me,

24 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the curses that are written in the book which they have read before the king of Judah:

[Sister Alvear]

and since my friend likes to repeat and paste ...lets do it some more...
◄ Micah 6:4 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
I brought you up out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. I sent Moses to lead you, also Aaron and Miriam.

New Living Translation
For I brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from slavery. I sent Moses, Aaron, and Miriam to help you.

English Standard Version
For I brought you up from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, and I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

New American Standard Bible
"Indeed, I brought you up from the land of Egypt And ransomed you from the house of slavery, And I sent before you Moses, Aaron and Miriam.

King James Bible
For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Indeed, I brought you up from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from that place of slavery. I sent Moses, Aaron, and Miriam ahead of you.

International Standard Version
For I brought you up from the land of Egypt, and ransomed you from the house of slavery, sending Moses, Aaron, and Miriam into your presence.

NET Bible
In fact, I brought you up from the land of Egypt, I delivered you from that place of slavery. I sent Moses, Aaron, and Miriam to lead you.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I brought you out of Egypt and freed you from slavery. I sent Moses, Aaron, and Miriam to lead you.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt and ransomed thee out of the house of slaves; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

King James 2000 Bible
For I brought you up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage; and I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

American King James Version
For I brought you up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of servants; and I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

American Standard Version
For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of bondage; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and delivered thee out of the house of slaves: and I sent before thy face Moses, and Aaron, and Mary.

Darby Bible Translation
For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of bondage; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

English Revised Version
For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of bondage; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

Webster's Bible Translation
For I brought thee out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee from the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

World English Bible
For I brought you up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage. I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

Young's Literal Translation
For I brought thee up from the land of Egypt, And from the house of servants I have ransomed thee, And I send before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

[COLOR="Blue"]Well, since most of this seems to be the typical mindless babble of AFF

unfounded opinion, based merely upon this thread length, i think

Originally Posted by rdp

I'll only point out that anti-biblical "tradition" is the very thing I've been attempting to combat for almost 200 pp. now

yes, your pointer works great. 'anti-Biblical tradition' is your definition; and i cannot say that you are wrong

Originally Posted by rdp

You are making no sense & much of your post above seems incoherent. And just when I was staring to like you a lil' bit too

i've been up for 3 days now, more or less, so this first would not surprise me much; but i tend to post by impression anyway, and some of my best, and worst stuff is 'incoherent.' frankly, that was not meant for you anyway. i am trying to (learn, at least) to love you. you forget that i happen to agree with you; i just think that you are wrong.

Originally Posted by rdp

this is not a "valid translation" (not even with your esoterical "discernment"

then BAM, produce my interpretation in the original; show me the error of my ways, and cease parroting multiple translations of a single interpretation. you went to school for this, and surely remember the wildly different possibilities for translation inherent in such ancient languages. you remind me of an MD, secure in his sacrosanct knowledge, and completely ignorant of the food that might cure me. how long did you spend on those alternate possibilities, so easily discarded by your ostensible betters, Divining direction from some unknown scribe? 2 weeks, same as an MD with nutrition? See that you may have been programmed, too, and might very well be fighting God here. you do not know.

Originally Posted by rdp

Surely each of these linguists should have consulted the AFF crew prior to making their renderings

i do not say that they are any invalid, if all the same; but you bought what they sold you there without question, perhaps. Where is the Word made of no effect? there is your answer. Question. Your Father will not let you fall, brother. stop this pointless chatter now, lecturing those you were sent to love, yet hate. Understand I AM has fulfilled the Law, and cannot break It. Does a thorn bear figs? What season is this? (then how can a female pastor bear fruit?) And see that while you look down, studying, and weary, Everything's season unfolds in front of you, oblivious to your demands.

Now look what you did peace to you.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RJR

Where is the BIBLICAL authority for an Elder to give the woman the liberty to do what the Bible expressly forbids?

Where does the Bible explicitly forbid it? We see Paul explaining that he personally doesn't allow a woman to teach. We have a text that states that women should be silent and not interrupt the gatherings with their questions, but they should ask their husbands at home. We have no hard and fast didactic commandments against women sharing the Word of God in church gatherings.

[Aquila]

Here's a question I've always had and guess I never asked... Paul wrote...

1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

What "law" is being referred to?

[shazeep]

ty, Aquila...

Originally Posted by rdp

[COLOR="Blue"]Because people stubbornly refuse to believe the Scriptures:
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

i would say that you (and the other R) have learned the accepted definitions of each word in the Scriptures admirably well; kudos. Now you might do your congregations a favor (i would say "us a favor," but your literal pov has made the truth clear to us; and it is different for each of us, surely); Try accepting the meaning of the entire verse, even using your definitions; feel what the verse is saying. Even just starting at the first sentence in v 11, that the women were not learning in quietness and full submission--which, after all, is only what any teacher might expect from any listener--sets a tone, and provides a context for v 12, which may be interpreted "You came here to learn; but you are interruptive, aggressive, and belligerent in class. Be quiet.

Now sure, one might also don their short, blocky mustache, or place their index finger horizontally under their nose in my opinion and decipher a stricter standard, which is their perfect right. You know it's a man's world, however--heck, that should reveal some meaning right there, as i bet no female scholars, or very few, were involved with any translations--and no respecter of persons might even have some app here. But an at least inarguable pov might laugh at this absolute silence in church stuff, wherein one must ignore too much other Scripture to make fit. Imo.

Exo 38:8
"Bezalel made the bronze washbasin and its bronze stand from bronze mirrors donated by the women who served at the entrance of the Tabernacle."
you know this is not about actual mirrors and washbasins, right?

Gen 24:11
"And he made the camels kneel down outside the city by the well of water at the time of evening, the time when women go out to draw water."
know what camels rep? and water? you don't imagine that God used His Word to discuss watering livestock, really now, do you?

Exo 1:19
"The midwives said to Pharaoh, 'Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women, for they are vigorous and give birth before the midwife comes to them.' "
a sublime reflection

'When I break your staff of bread, ten women will bake your bread in one oven, and they will bring back your bread in rationed amounts, so that you will eat and not be satisfied.

you must know what eating and bread symbolize, and even, in defiance of any would-be Bible Nazis out there,

"Go and assemble all the Jews who can be found in Susa and fast for me. Don't eat or drink for three days, day or night. I and my female servants will also fast in the same way. After that, I will go to the king even if it is against the law. If I perish, I perish."

how much clearer can women pastoring in a time of spiritual famine be for you, please tell me.

[Sister Alvear]

There is NO law that says that other than the Talmud law...and Paul was quoting a letter someone had written him...

There is strong reason to believe that it is not the Old Testament, but the Talmud that is being cited. According to Wikipedia,..“The Talmud is a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, customs and history.”..In Jesus’ day the first part of the Talmud, the Mishnah, was in oral form, but in 200A.D. and 500A.D. it and the Gemara were put into writing. In brief, two key issues point to why the Jewish oral law (Talmud) was behind what was stated in vv.34-35.1.) Only the Talmud silences women..).”

Only the Talmud designates the speech of women as “shameful…not the Bible...

[Sister Alvear]

There is NO law that says that other than the Talmud law...and Paul was quoting a letter someone had written him...

There is strong reason to believe that it is not the Old Testament, but the Talmud that is being cited. According to Wikipedia,..“The Talmud is a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, customs and history.”..In Jesus’ day the first part of the Talmud, the Mishnah, was in oral form, but in 200A.D. and 500A.D. it and the Gemara were put into writing. In brief, two key issues point to why the Jewish oral law (Talmud) was behind what was stated in vv.34-35.1.) Only the Talmud silences women..).”

Only the Talmud designates the speech of women as “shameful…not the Bible...