End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

[COLOR="Blue"]...But she did not exposit from the Scriptures to men

Pure conjecture. Deborah was a Judge, if i'm not wrong...nope. So, God appoints a judge who cannot pastor. While the offices are certainly separate in our time, to our shame, to even suggest this smacks of heresy in the time when Israel had judges rather than a king. i detect a doctorate lurking back there. i would bet $ on it (it's worthless anyway )

Said the copy-paste Queen of AFF

pure hubris, as is suggesting that any woman could never speak in church. but of course the one lording it over would not want competition, and the tone of your posts has defeated you. you think to codify the spirit, who can raise pastors from rocks. you ignore a time for everything under heaven. You forget Christ's condemnation of the Pastor/Judges of His day. You fail to connect that Love now presides over us, and overrides tradition. If you cannot contend over another believer's Holi-days, how do you imagine that you might even comment upon a pastor bearing fruit. it sinks to sin.

didn't you just say something about "reading between the lines...

and then you proffer dichotomous jokes. really. i am not comfortable with a woman pastor, and am now forced to go and discover my blind spot there. yikes.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Duh...that's what we were talking about THIS verse lol...Have a good night RDP

DUH...We were talking about the force of the conjunction employed in "THIS verse".


You have a good night also .

[shazeep]

gee, i wonder why the church is in so much disarray...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Pure conjecture. Deborah was a Judge, if i'm not wrong...nope. So, God appoints a judge who cannot pastor. While the offices are certainly separate in our time, to our shame, to even suggest this smacks of heresy in the time when Israel had judges rather than a king. i detect a doctorate lurking back there. i would bet $ on it (it's worthless anyway )

pure hubris, as is suggesting that any woman could never speak in church. but of course the one lording it over would not want competition, and the tone of your posts has defeated you. you think to codify the spirit, who can raise pastors from rocks. you ignore a time for everything under heaven. You forget Christ's condemnation of the Pastor/Judges of His day. You fail to connect that Love now presides over us, and overrides tradition. If you cannot contend over another believer's Holi-days, how do you imagine that you might even comment upon a pastor bearing fruit. it sinks to sin.

and then you proffer dichotomous jokes. really. i am not comfortable with a woman pastor, and am now forced to go and discover my blind spot there. yikes.

Well, since most of this seems to be the typical mindless babble of AFF - I'll only point out that anti-biblical "tradition" is the very thing I've been attempting to combat for almost 200 pp. now ?


You are making no sense & much of your post above seems incoherent. And just when I was staring to like you a lil' bit too ! Oh well.....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by shazeep

gee, i wonder why the church is in so much disarray...

Because people stubbornly refuse to believe the Scriptures:


11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.


Still there !

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

Because people stubbornly refuse to believe the Scriptures:


11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.


Still there !

yes, and still just as validly translatable

"I do not permit a woman to lecture to or lord it over a man; she must be meek."



(of course i mean "to anyone with a smidgen of discernment." )

[rdp]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, and still just as validly translatable

"I do not permit a woman to lecture to or lord it over a man; she must be meek."



(of course i mean "to anyone with a smidgen of discernment." )

Say Whatttt ??


LOL - Umm, no, this is not a "valid translation" (not even with your esoterical "discernment" ):


New International Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

New Living Translation
I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.

English Standard Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

New American Standard Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

King James Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent.

NET Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to usurp over a man, but she should be quiet;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I don't allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. Instead, she should be quiet.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a mature man, but to be at rest.

King James 2000 Bible
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American Standard Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Darby Bible Translation
but I do not suffer a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness;

English Revised Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Webster's Bible Translation
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Weymouth New Testament
I do not permit a woman to teach, nor have authority over a man, but she must remain silent.

World English Bible
But I don't permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness.



Surely each of these linguists should have consulted the AFF crew prior to making their renderings !

[Sister Alvear]

Well...I have become queen of AFF...lol..you seemed worried that people are seeing you do not have the answers...and insult the memory of Deborah...a God called judge that brought peace to Israel...

[Sister Alvear]

you have not even answered the first question on this topic...

The Lord announces the word, and the women who proclaim it are a mighty throng:

New Living Translation
The Lord gives the word, and a great army brings the good news.

English Standard Version
The Lord gives the word; the women who announce the news are a great host:

New American Standard Bible
The Lord gives the command; The women who proclaim the good tidings are a great host:

King James Bible
The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The Lord gave the command; a great company of women brought the good news:"

International Standard Version
The Lord issues a command. Numerous are the women who announce the news:

NET Bible
The Lord speaks; many, many women spread the good news.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Lord Jehovah will give the word of the Gospel in great power!

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The Lord gives instructions. The women who announce the good news are a large army.

Jubilee Bible 2000
The Lord shall give a word; great shall be the host of the evangelists thereof.

King James 2000 Bible
The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.

American King James Version
The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.

American Standard Version
The Lord giveth the word: The women that publish the tidings are a great host.

Douay-Rheims Bible
The Lord shall give the word to them that preach good tidings with great power.

Darby Bible Translation
The Lord gives the word: great the host of the publishers.

English Revised Version
The Lord giveth the word: the women that publish the tidings are a great host.

Webster's Bible Translation
The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.

World English Bible
The Lord announced the word. The ones who proclaim it are a great company.

Young's Literal Translation
The Lord doth give the saying, The female proclaimers are a numerous host.

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by RJR

Does not change the specific command are not permitted to speak in the church. Cannot exercise authority over the man, ask husband at home, learn with silence with all subjection.

Yes my friend, read your own passage that you keep referencing. It says THE MAN, one particular individual, her head. Now unless you have decided that it is okay for you to make a plural out of a singular (as you undoubtedly diss trinitarians for doing the same with the Godhead), you are simply deficit in basic knowledge of one as opposed to a group.

The woman is not to usurp authority over the man, and 1 Corinthians 11 tells us that this man is her husband. When Paul told the same Corinthian church this (Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV) three chapters later, he was again referencing the marriage relationship. The law never commanded all women to be subject to all men; it commanded the woman to be in obedience to her head (husband if married, her father if she was unmarried).

Also, according to the law of Moses, only one man had the authority to validate or nullify a woman's vow: husband if married and father if unmarried.

If a woman also vow a vow unto the Lord, and bind herself by a bond, being in her father's house in her youth; And her father hear her vow, and her bond wherewith she hath bound her soul, and her father shall hold his peace at her: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she hath bound her soul shall stand. But if her father disallow her in the day that he heareth; not any of her vows, or of her bonds wherewith she hath bound her soul, shall stand: and the Lord shall forgive her, because her father disallowed her. And if she had at all an husband, when she vowed, or uttered ought out of her lips, wherewith she bound her soul; And her husband heard it, and held his peace at her in the day that he heard it: then her vows shall stand, and her bonds wherewith she bound her soul shall stand. But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard it; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the Lord shall forgive her. But every vow of a widow, and of her that is divorced, wherewith they have bound their souls, shall stand against her. Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may establish it, or her husband may make it void. These are the statutes, which the Lord commanded Moses, between a man and his wife, between the father and his daughter, being yet in her youth in her father's house. (Numbers 30:3-9, 13, 16 KJV)

Take note, according to the law: only a husband or father is acknowledges as head over a woman. Not a priest, not even the high priest. And for a divorced or widowed woman, she did not have a man as head over her, she was on her own. (This completely destroys the crazy things I have heard at times from preachers who tell single women in their churches that the pastor is their spiritual head, and even more damaging, the preachers who tell women with unsaved husbands that they should obey their pastor rather than their husbands, especially when it comes to something like tithing/money or participation in a church activity)

You really should read your entire Bible. You would learn a lot, but then again, it might mess up your preconceived theologies.