I agree! Men should go back to wearing stockings, high heels, ruffles & lace; since men wore them originally. It's also my understanding that women began wearing pants before men did. (H1, correct me if I'm wrong - didn't you stumble across this info during your research of the subject?)
Could someone please tell me why, today, it's okay for WOMEN to wear stockings, high heels, ruffles & lace - and for MEN to wear pants? We're ALL "crossdressing," it seems.
Good points, but remember, we are talking about 1940 (and even sooner, to many) as being a benchmark.
And yes, in the 4th century, women in the Western world wore pants, which they adapted from the Persians. At that time, pants were considered unmanly.
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I agree! Men should go back to wearing stockings, high heels, ruffles & lace; since men wore them originally. It's also my understanding that women began wearing pants before men did. (H1, correct me if I'm wrong - didn't you stumble across this info during your research of the subject?)
Could someone please tell me why, today, it's okay for WOMEN to wear stockings, high heels, ruffles & lace - and for MEN to wear pants? We're ALL "crossdressing," it seems.
Only aristocrats and nobles wore them and many were homosexuals following the etiquette of a homosexual ruler. The vast majority of men in the West did not dress that way
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Only aristocrats and nobles wore them and many were homosexuals following the etiquette of a homosexual ruler. The vast majority of men in the West did not dress that way
Source for this info, please?
And where is 'the West' that you refer to?
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I agree that there are people who move away from morality and modesty, whether it's the majority or not, well, I'll leave that for each person to decide based on their own observations.
However, these 'old time positions' you refer to aren't that old time, considering how long humans have been on the earth. What if, back in 1940, they decided that the 'old time position' to take was how people dressed in 1880? Would you expect your wife to dress like that today, in that same attire? I would hope not.....especially when men aren't expected to dress in the attire from that era.
I'm sure you are thankful that the UPC wasn't formed in the 1700's. You might still be wearing stockings, high heels, and ruffled shirts with lace today!! LOL!
And let's also understand that while the attire itself hasn't changed much, we really don't dress like they did in 1940. According to that time and place, we dress a little more immodestly than they did, however, we don't think we are immodestly dressed today, right?
Ferd, consider that if modesty was preached about more than articles of clothing, perhaps we wouldn't find people going off the 'deep end' when they find out that articles of clothing aren't mentioned in the Bible as is claimed by many a pastor.
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Bob, I stayed out of this pretty much. But after this weekend, some of the things I saw and some of the reflections I have from it, I guess as time permits, I have a few things to say.
I am sure that Newman and others will weigh in on how stupid I am but that is fine.
First, let me say that by an large, with the exception of those wonderful men who have held an old standard, the genie is out of the bottle and as the old saying goes, you cant push water up a hill.
My thoughts are that those who have left skirts for pants have done so mainly because they no longer believe that Deu. 22:5 applies. I think that may be a valid argument on some level. to a 15 year old girl today, there was never a time when men wore pants and women wore skirts. The older ones have some memory but the younger ones dont...except those in old time Apostolic churches.
Having said that, my wife doesnt wear pants and while we dont have a daughter yet, there isnt going to be a day when my money buys her pants, nor a day when my roof shelters a pair of pants in her closet.
What I see is that OP women didnt leave skirts, they left modesty. (go ahead ladies take your best shot). Maybe some of the older ones have maintained some degree of modesty, but they arent teaching their daughters. Makes me nuts.
Modesty means something and this leaving the skirts behind has crossed a bridge in the heart that has led many here to suggest that Modesty as defined BY THE WORLD is all that is needed. what a crock. I see OP girls in pants that look like they were painted on. I dont care what the church kids think, I care that they are no different than the world and we are STILL CALLED TO BE SEPERATE
yea, Im yelling. Im angry. we have lost something much more important than skirts.
Ferd-
1. I am sorry that you might imagine I would suggest you are stupid. You are not and I would like to think that most know that is not my style even if you were!
2. I respect that someone with a traditional viewpoint has stepped up to the plate.
3. Never say never.
4. An interesting point of view indeed.
I know that my heart aches for the women and girls in the world who have never learned about beauty in modesty; and who have never learned that they have intrinsic value that is not based on their looks and/or cheap sex. We probably agree in principle.
I have one question to ask! What in the world is the difference between a mans behind and a womens behind. It all has a crack. This is insane to think a women should be treated differently then a man on this issue.
I believe in modesty, I believe in equality also.
A women should not have to wear certain clothes so a man can keep his mind out of the gutter. I've counseled with men who are perverted and can tell you its a condition of the heart. You think men in muslim countries don't lust over those women who have only those eyes popping out??? eerie isn't it. almost spooky.
The more that is covered the more the imagination runs wild. I've seen a lot of women that need to put more clothes on.
Its not a young girls fault she's endowed more than someone else. And she shouldn't have to tape her bust with duct tape so she can sing in the choir.
The mans mind belongs to him and he is responsible for it. A womens body belongs to her and if she's married her husband also and she is responsible to her husband and God.
Stop looking and start worshipping. Most of the kids we deal with don't even have the money to but a new pair of shoes, much less a $250.00 dress from Macy's.
The church has turned into a competitive enviornement; who can look the best and dress the nicest. Its time to give your clothes to the poor.
Only aristocrats and nobles wore them and many were homosexuals following the etiquette of a homosexual ruler. The vast majority of men in the West did not dress that way
If you are referring to the period of 15th, 16th and 17th into the 18th centuries, men's style of dressing was influenced mostly by position and power in the courts of Europe and not necessarily by their sexual proclivities. That could possibly the reason Puritans dressed the way they did, as to counteract the "ungodliness" of it and all it stood for. BTW, do you not wear silk ties that are the last vestige of that influence? Some men who stand behind pulpits today dress just as the mode dictates and some even in the"west", (LA pastors) just wear "cool, trendy" shirts and jeans..... your point is?oloroid
Only aristocrats and nobles wore them and many were homosexuals following the etiquette of a homosexual ruler. The vast majority of men in the West did not dress that way
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I have one question to ask! What in the world is the difference between a mans behind and a womens behind. It all has a crack. This is insane to think a women should be treated differently then a man on this issue.
I believe in modesty, I believe in equality also.
A women should not have to wear certain clothes so a man can keep his mind out of the gutter. I've counseled with men who are perverted and can tell you its a condition of the heart. You think men in muslim countries don't lust over those women who have only those eyes popping out??? eerie isn't it. almost spooky.
The more that is covered the more the imagination runs wild. I've seen a lot of women that need to put more clothes on.
Its not a young girls fault she's endowed more than someone else. And she shouldn't have to tape her bust with duct tape so she can sing in the choir.
The mans mind belongs to him and he is responsible for it. A womens body belongs to her and if she's married her husband also and she is responsible to her husband and God.
Stop looking and start worshipping. Most of the kids we deal with don't even have the money to but a new pair of shoes, much less a $250.00 dress from Macy's.
The church has turned into a competitive enviornement; who can look the best and dress the nicest. Its time to give your clothes to the poor.
LORD HAVE MURCY! YOU JUST CRACK ME UP! If I laugh any harder, I'm gonna haveta put plastic on my furniture! Form fitting is form fitting, and the last thing I wanna do is sit behind a man or woman in church who's pants are so tight it looks like two kids wrestling under a blanket when they get to shoutin'! Every environment where you have a convergence of people who have the westernized mentality of "making appearances",(are we not the same people who notices sister so and so is very the same dress....again. Or bro. so and so tie is worn so often, the stains have stains. I say buy them a new outfit or give them last season's designer tie you bought at Ross'.oloroid
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