Sister Murphy was the first person to ever call me a peacemaker on a forum.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
Are you "truly so dense" that you can't see how hurtful your words were. And with one exception, every other poster saw your original post the way I did.
You were delibertly being hurtful, just as this post is also an attempt by you to use your anger to bully anyone who doesn't agree with your shrill tone. You need to seriously examine your heart, young lady. You are deceived and are causing hurt to people who probably care a very great deal about you.
The fact that you must resort to name calling and ad hominem attacks shows that you yourself realize that you're wrong.
Whoa, now, friend, and first things first. Thanks for calling me 'young lady'.
Now, please explain how you know my heart and thus judge that I was 'deliberately being hurtful'. This is absolutely untrue. If you knew me, which you don't, you would know that I speak from a heart that is burdened for what I see as a generation that is growing up, like the generation after Joshua, not knowing God for themselves. They have the form, but no relationship. And I despise the mentality that says that the key to 'keeping young people in the church' is entertaining them. Whether you like it or not, it is the same mentality that caused my mother-in-law to raise her sons like she did. She really believed (and does to this day, because she is still lost in sin) that she was doing the best she could for her boys. That is so sad to me, and so is the thought that there are those who, well meaning though they are, are allowing ungodliness into the church in the name of being relevant and keeping kids in church.
Oh, and one more thing: I haven't even yet said what I think about stick drama, YOU made an unfounded inference. So I would like to enlighten you. I have seen a couple of powerful stick drama presentations, and I think that this has a place in outreach in some areas (especially in a metro area like I live in.)
Dramatic sign? I have seen several different songs done in this fashion, and they were emotionally stirring, but the worship was, to me, found in the song itself to which the signing was being done. Now, being raised on a pentecostal pew, I expect these both to fade into the twilight in a few years, replaced by something else different and entertaining.
As for this 'step dance' stuff, if the video clip posted here at the beginning of this thread was any indication of what this stuff is all about, then I say it is carnal and has no place in God's house. Yes, it is worship, but not worship of Almighty God; rather, it is of the flesh.
Which tells me that somewhere, somehow, those kids didn't develop a personal relationship with Jesus. I know of some very strict, very conservative churches who have lost youth because the focus was on following the rules, without learning how to know Jesus. This is just as wrong as the liberal church that lets worldly things in its doors in an attempt to keep the kids entertained, and the results are the same: lost souls.
You are right on there. That's pretty much how my church was. Following the rules was priority. I was never taught during the time I was raised to have a personal relationship with God, and that's something that effects me to this day.
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I agree with SISTER Murphy's zeal in promoting relationship with Jesus Christ over the things that may distract us from the important goal.
Where I still take issue with her, however, is in her tone and with her name calling and other destructive forum behaviors. If she is truly involved in a ministry with young people, and if this is how she pursues it - I feel very badly for those kids.
Come visit me sometime SISTER Murphy and I'll take you for a walk through a couple of graveyards. We've got young people there and there's plenty of room for even more. Those who aren't physically dead, but are spiritually burnt out got to be that way because of the angry and forceful way in which their elders crammed religious traditions down their throats.
I say it's about time someone in the Apostolic ranks stood up to the bullies that have been killing us. Look at our numbers and our history. You guys are literally killing us.
BTW our young people don't do the stepping thing.Its mostly black churches that do it and its called drill teams.The boys like it alot.As for the example
Daniel gave earlier with the one church that had girls and guys looking the same I have to comment on the fact that they don't think gender distinction
is important.The girls were slapping and touching themselves in places not appropriate.No that does not belong in church.However I did not see the
group from Florida and I am sure they were not acting non genderal and
were not doing such things.hopefully.The church web page showed godly
dressed women.I will view the You tube stuff and then maybe I will have
an educated comment but as for the example of stepping given.No I am against that.They all looked like the heavens gate cult.Whats next shave them all bald and put nikes on them.Girls need to dress like and look like girls.
Whoa, now, friend, and first things first. Thanks for calling me 'young lady'.
Now, please explain how you know my heart and thus judge that I was 'deliberately being hurtful'. This is absolutely untrue.
Uhm... when you said, "Are you so dense..." Now I must ask, are you so dishonest? Either your mood has changed or you're playing a game here.
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Originally Posted by SISTER Murphy
If you knew me, which you don't, you would know that I speak from a heart that is burdened for what I see as a generation that is growing up, like the generation after Joshua, not knowing God for themselves. They have the form, but no relationship. And I despise the mentality that says that the key to 'keeping young people in the church' is entertaining them. Whether you like it or not, it is the same mentality that caused my mother-in-law to raise her sons like she did. She really believed (and does to this day, because she is still lost in sin) that she was doing the best she could for her boys. That is so sad to me, and so is the thought that there are those who, well meaning though they are, are allowing ungodliness into the church in the name of being relevant and keeping kids in church.
Oh, and one more thing: I haven't even yet said what I think about stick drama, YOU made an unfounded inference. So I would like to enlighten you. I have seen a couple of powerful stick drama presentations, and I think that this has a place in outreach in some areas (especially in a metro area like I live in.)
Dramatic sign? I have seen several different songs done in this fashion, and they were emotionally stirring, but the worship was, to me, found in the song itself to which the signing was being done. Now, being raised on a pentecostal pew, I expect these both to fade into the twilight in a few years, replaced by something else different and entertaining.
As for this 'step dance' stuff, if the video clip posted here at the beginning of this thread was any indication of what this stuff is all about, then I say it is carnal and has no place in God's house. Yes, it is worship, but not worship of Almighty God; rather, it is of the flesh.
That video was clearly not from an Apostolic church. And your drugs and alcohol post very clearly was aimed at the context of the thread at that point- a particular church's use of the dowel rod thing.
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