divine flesh and original sin

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Jesus Christ had human flesh ,not divine flesh ,Jesus called Mary His mother.
But I do know the Holy Ghost overshadowed a virgin and she conceived ,how did she conceive I don't know ?it was supernatural,but if Jesus had a fallen Adamic ,nature ,He couldn't have been The Lamb Of God slain before the foundation of the world .
How did a virgin conceive I don't know ?But I believe what the Bible says.

Why couldn't he be the lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world with a nature like Adams?

The question of how a virgin conceived is not being asked.

Scott....Jesus was a human. He was OUR kinsman redeemer. He was a descendent of Davids....He was MADE of a woman....He was tempted in ALL points like us

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why couldn't he be the lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world with a nature like Adams?

The question of how a virgin conceived is not being asked.

Scott....Jesus was a human. He was OUR kinsman redeemer. He was a descendent of Davids....He was MADE of a woman....He was tempted in ALL points like us

Indeed it was just like Adam's nature. Until Adam sinned and the human nature became sinful. Unless you are advocating a Christ with a sinful nature?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rrford

It is also what I and countless others believe who are not DF believers. He had a human nature, but not the fallen human nature of sinful humanity.

Sinful is what happens when someone commits sin. Jesus was tempted in all points like us, yet without sin. He was made LIKE his brothers.

Heb 2:16 For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

[SDG]

:sshhh Someone pass the popcorn.

Originally Posted by rrford

Then you are, by default, maintaining that the natural "seed" of Abraham would have had to be pure. Point: If it was preserved, as I believe you stated earlier, and then implanted into Mary, then it would have had to go through some major transformation fro sinful to sinless. In other words, you seem to be exempting Abraham from the Adamic nature/sin quotient.

Unless, adn here is where it can get tricky, you are saying in a moment'stime the natural became spiritual , and voila! Christ! ????

No viola.

You are misreprenting what I said.

I did not say that the natural seed of Abraham had to be pure.

I find no record of it going though some major transformation from sinful to sinless.

I did not exempt Abraham from the Adamic nature/sin quotient.

The natural seed of Abraham terminated in Christ. The spiritual seed of Abraham which is of Faith in Christ to whom Abraham looked by faith, became the spiritual seed upon whom all the nations are blessed.

Simple enough. No violas to add.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rrford

Indeed it was just like Adam's nature. Until Adam sinned and the human nature became sinful. Unless you are advocating a Christ with a sinful nature?

The human nature did not become sinFUL....lol. It became corrupted and subject to being sinful. Sinful is what happens when we sin. Babies are not sinFUL. They have a fallen sin nature which means they have the ability to be tempted and sin

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why couldn't he be the lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world with a nature like Adams?

The question of how a virgin conceived is not being asked.

Scott....Jesus was a human. He was OUR kinsman redeemer. He was a descendent of Davids....He was MADE of a woman....He was tempted in ALL points like us

Yes Jesus was a human ,but He wasn't born in sin and shapen in inquity,like we are.Jesus was borned of a woman yes indeed.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Prax if we are not born,sinners then why do we need to be borned again ?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Sinful is what happens when someone commits sin. Jesus was tempted in all points like us, yet without sin. He was made LIKE his brothers.

Heb 2:16 For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

That's the way I see it.

Christ had to overcome sin, being tempted in his natural flesh of the devil. He had to overcome the world with all of its lusts and enticements. In all points like me was he tempted, but where I failed, I am still an overcomer being in him by faith, who overcame.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

That's the way I see it.

Christ had to overcome sin, being tempted in his natural flesh of the devil. He had to overcome the world with all of its lusts and enticements. In all points like me was he tempted, but where I failed, I am still an overcomer being in him by faith, who overcame.

Agreed.