The Manchild Ministry 45 Minutes

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I feel you aren't understanding what I'm saying, or aren't reading what I'm saying. I also feel your account of the reason Christ's resurrection is (according to your statements) fundamentally and materially different from ours is seriously lacking and basically makes no sense.

The first fruit of a barley crop is barley, not wheat.

There may be a misunderstanding between the both of us.

Correct me if I’m wrong, my understanding is that you believe, that the body Jesus resurrected was glorified spiritual. Even though we both quoted the verse in Luke that states “spirit hath not flesh and bones...”. I understand that because of what you wrote here,

Originally Posted by Esaias
[B

Jesus was resurrected, as a life giving spirit, with a spiritual body, yet having flesh and bones. That is, He was very much PHYSICAL in His resurrected state. Since we are going to be changed to be like Him, we too will be resurrected with a spiritual body but we will be just as "physical" (material) as Him.[/B]

I do not believe that we will be resurrected spiritually, yet physically. Thats why I used the statement with the tomato. The seed that we plant in the spring looks nothing like the mature tomato we harvest couple months later. This mortal will look like nothing when it puts on immortality.

Jesus resurrected the body to prove that he has power over death, hell, and the grave. If he came back as a spirit, would’ve the disciples believed?

John 4:24 KJVS
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jesus is God, therefore he is a spirit, and a spirit doesn’t have flesh and bones.

1 Corinthians 2:8-9 KJVS
[8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it , they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
[9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

I believe you even stated this, that the natural man cannot comprehend the spiritual.

John 1:5 KJVS
[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 3:6 KJVS
[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

There is a fine line between the natural, carnal, physical, and spiritual. If your born of the spirit, the flesh will cease to be. Flesh in John 3 is talking about the natural man. From dust this body was made to dust it will return. We will have body, yet in my opinion it will 100% spiritual, not a physical body with blood, bones, and flesh.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I couldn’t agree with you anymore with the bold sentence. That was one of reasons why I started to study the “rapture” of the church. The timeline seemed to be way off, as it was written a long time ago.

Daniel 8:26 KJVS
[26] And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Compared to

Revelation 22:10 KJVS
[10] And he saith unto me, seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.


From what I understand there is 670 +/- years from Daniel to the book or Revelation.

Daniel was told to seal up the vision for the time was not yet. Which we understand on this side of history, that was correct. Now, we have the angel instructing John to send out the visions, for the time is at hand. Yet, were still waiting 2000 +/- years later?

Remember, Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles UNTIL...

This means there is an end to Gentile occupation.

...the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Think about it.

[1 God]

As the Jews take back Jerusalem, the manchild of Rev will secure it for His return in chapter 19.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by 1 God

As the Jews take back Jerusalem, the manchild of Rev will secure it for His return in chapter 19.

Brother, Jerusalem is nothing! I’m sorry if that offends you, yet, they need to be saved in Acts 2:38 just like you and myself. That nation doesn’t have ANY special treatments. Turn your eyes of Jesus and not on that nation, that hates Jesus.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1 God

As the Jews take back Jerusalem, the manchild of Rev will secure it for His return in chapter 19.

What's a Jew Sean?

Can you be a Jew?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Remember, Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles UNTIL...

This means there is an end to Gentile occupation.

...the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Think about it.

Brother,

Gentile simply means- non Jewish.

In my opinion there is no nationality of a Jew. Madonna turned into a Jew, Sammy Davis Jr became a Jew. Jews are Gentiles! Jew is a religion rather than a nation. Look at Abraham, he was a Babylonian, King Davids great grandmother was a Moabite.

There was a message titled, “The seed of Abraham”. It was preached at Larry Smiths conference years ago. That was the best message Ive ever heard that traced the lineage of the Jews.

So needless to say, if the gentiles go, so do the Jews.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Currently rounding up some resources. In the meantime, here is a Ph.D. thesis on the history of eschatology in the Assemblies of God. Enjoy!

https://research.bangor.ac.uk/portal...g_PhD_2019.pdf

Your Kung Fu is very good. Excellent choice Daniel Isgrigg 2018 paper.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I couldn’t agree with you anymore with the bold sentence. That was one of reasons why I started to study the “rapture” of the church. The timeline seemed to be way off, as it was written a long time ago.

Daniel 8:26 KJVS
[26] And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Compared to

Revelation 22:10 KJVS
[10] And he saith unto me, seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.


From what I understand there is 670 +/- years from Daniel to the book or Revelation.

Daniel was told to seal up the vision for the time was not yet. Which we understand on this side of history, that was correct. Now, we have the angel instructing John to send out the visions, for the time is at hand. Yet, were still waiting 2000 +/- years later?

So I take it, you believe Rev 12 is history too. What is your understanding of the man child, eagles wings, 1260 days etc?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Brother,

Gentile simply means- non Jewish.

In my opinion there is no nationality of a Jew. Madonna turned into a Jew, Sammy Davis Jr became a Jew. Jews are Gentiles! Jew is a religion rather than a nation. Look at Abraham, he was a Babylonian, King David's great grandmother was a Moabite.

There was a message titled, “The seed of Abraham”. It was preached at Larry Smiths conference years ago. That was the best message I've ever heard that traced the lineage of the Jews.

So needless to say, if the gentiles go, so do the Jews.

Abayudaya who are African Ugandans. Once Christians converted to Judaism

Jews of San Nicandro were Christian Sicilians who converted through a Pentecostal faith healer and "prophet" ( no Hawaiian shirt) who had a vision that everyone should convert to Judaism.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Brother,

Gentile simply means- non Jewish.

In my opinion there is no nationality of a Jew. Madonna turned into a Jew, Sammy Davis Jr became a Jew. Jews are Gentiles! Jew is a religion rather than a nation. Look at Abraham, he was a Babylonian, King Davids great grandmother was a Moabite.

There was a message titled, “The seed of Abraham”. It was preached at Larry Smiths conference years ago. That was the best message Ive ever heard that traced the lineage of the Jews.

So needless to say, if the gentiles go, so do the Jews.

Judaism is confined to DNA?
Strangers(gentiles) could become Jews in the O.T.
God considered them as Jews.
Read the book of Ruth.
God did not place it there by accident.
We are made "Jews" also, by the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
God is setting the stage for the new Jew revival in the land of Israel when Jesus returns to save every one of them from the least to the greatest, just like the few of us have been included in the promise.