7th Day Sabbath not for New Testament believers

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No, we keep no holy days.

To keep (a day) or to observe (a day): to regularly and repeatedly do some particular(ly religious) action on a set, appointed, decided upon recurring day.

Holy: dedicated to religious purposes.

Go to church every Sunday: to set aside Sunday as the primary day in which to gather with other worshippers to worship and perform divine service.

Church services every Sunday: keeping Sunday as the primary day of worship.

Same with Christmas, New Year's Eve "night service for the Communion/Lord's Supper", etc etc.

Note: if one abandoned Sunday keeping, and instead only had church on Tuesday, one would then be a Tuesday keeper. And so forth.

WE don't keep, celebrate, or observe Christmas. So, what do we do on Dec 25th? NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY THAT ISNT DONE ANY OTHER DAY OF THE WEEK, no trees, no gifts, no carols, it is LITERALLY just another day like the day before and the day after. Going to church every Sunday while claiming to not keep Sunday is like putting up a tree every Dec 25th with presents and nativity scenes and caroling and Santa Claus and saying " we don't keep Christmas."

[Tithesmeister]

Esaias,

Just trying to understand your perspective and how far you take this belief. I understand that you grow a garden? Do you also observe the Sabbath of the land?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The bondage is to sin (Romans 7:23, John 8:34), the Old Covenant cannot free from sin (Heb 10:1, Romans 8:3), the New Covenant has replaced the Old Covenant (Heb 8:7-8). The New Covenant involves the LAWS OF GOD BEING WRITTEN ON THE HEART AND MIND (Heb 8:10) which results in obedience to the commandments of God (Ezek 36:26-27, Ezek 11:19-20, Romans 2:13-15, 2 Cor 3:6-12).

Gendering to Bondage is simple to understand. That's bondage associated with law which shows the bondage earlier in the same chapter makes law the elements of the worl. And the term is again used in the same book here and same context, associated Again with law.

Gal 5:1....Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

..2....Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

To keep (a day) or to observe (a day): to regularly and repeatedly do some particular(ly religious) action on a set, appointed, decided upon recurring day.

Holy: dedicated to religious purposes.

Go to church every Sunday: to set aside Sunday as the primary day in which to gather with other worshippers to worship and perform divine service.

Church services every Sunday: keeping Sunday as the primary day of worship.

Same with Christmas, New Year's Eve "night service for the Communion/Lord's Supper", etc etc.

Note: if one abandoned Sunday keeping, and instead only had church on Tuesday, one would then be a Tuesday keeper. And so forth.

WE don't keep, celebrate, or observe Christmas. So, what do we do on Dec 25th? NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY THAT ISNT DONE ANY OTHER DAY OF THE WEEK, no trees, no gifts, no carols, it is LITERALLY just another day like the day before and the day after. Going to church every Sunday while claiming to not keep Sunday is like putting up a tree every Dec 25th with presents and nativity scenes and caroling and Santa Claus and saying " we don't keep Christmas."

I pray daily and that's not making every day holy. You're reaching.

[mfblume]

When there is nothing on my mind that says the day itself is holy, then it is not keeping a day at all. Otherwise, that's extreme legalism you're proposing to accuse me of keeping something without my intention but appearance

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by mfblume

When there is nothing on my mind that says the day itself is holy, then it is not keeping a day at all. Otherwise, that's extreme legalism you're proposing to accuse me of keeping something without my intention but appearance

Blue Monday used to mean that ladies did their laundry on Monday, (the blue referred to the blueing that went into the laundry and sometimes found its way into ladies white hair) so maybe that is a kept day as well.

I’m REALLY into a realm that I have limited knowledge of, that being laundry, blueing . . . and even ladies for that matter. But I think I’m on the right track.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Blue Monday used to mean that ladies did their laundry on Monday, (the blue referred to the blueing that went into the laundry and sometimes found its way into ladies white hair) so maybe that is a kept day as well.

I’m REALLY into a realm that I have limited knowledge of, that being laundry, blueing . . . and even ladies for that matter. But I think I’m on the right track.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

When there is nothing on my mind that says the day itself is holy, then it is not keeping a day at all. Otherwise, that's extreme legalism you're proposing to accuse me of keeping something without my intention but appearance

So a person who celebrates Dec 25 with the whole rigamarole, but who "has nothing on their mind that the day is holy", isn't keeping Christmas?

Okie dokie, if you say so.

Well, actually, no, that's not rational at all. Like trinitarians who believe in a literal three man God Squad saying "I don't believe in three gods"...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I pray daily and that's not making every day holy. You're reaching.

I pray daily, too, and do not thereby conclude every day is made holy because of it. As did Sabbath keepers throughout the Bible. So, no, I'm not reaching. You, however, ARE reaching in your attempts to avoid the obvious reality: you keep Sunday as a set day dedicated to the corporate worship of God, reading and teaching of Scripture, corporate prayers, etc.

Otherwise, you wouldn't have church every Sunday. Don't you think it is strange that you have church every Sunday? I mean, WHY SUNDAY?

"Everybody expects church on Sunday, so we go along with the world's ideas and expectations of the proper time to gather for the worship of God, even though it is well documented to come straight out of pagan Mithra-cult and Sol Invictus worship and catholicism." Is that it?

Why not Saturday? "Oh, nope, people might associate us erroneously as being sabbath keepers"? It's okay to coincidentally match your worship to pagans and catholics, but not to the worshippers of Jehovah as recorded in the Bible?

Doesn't that strike you as... curious?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Esaias,

Just trying to understand your perspective and how far you take this belief. I understand that you grow a garden? Do you also observe the Sabbath of the land?

Do you have any comments or reaction to the Scriptures I posted?

Can you explain how the passage you posted means "we don't have to remember the sabbath day to keep it holy"? That is what you basically intended, right? Or were you trying to say something completely different?

As for gardening, and land Sabbaths, weren't you the one arguing that such rules only apply within the boundaries of Palestine? What do you think, do land Sabbaths apply outside of the original Promised Land? If they do, how are they calculated? Do we have a way to identify when a genuine Biblical land Sabbath is supposed to occur?

If you don't think they apply outside of Palestine then the issue would seem to be moot.

I also am pretty sure you don't believe they apply under the New Covenant anyway, regardless of location. Correct? So then what is the actual point of the question? Trying to find some way to say " Ah ha! You are a hypocrite because you don't follow the commandment the way I think you should even though I don't think anyone should follow it that way anyway"? Is that not what you already tried before, with your asking me how many homosexuals I had stoned by now?