The poor in America

[Socialite]

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[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

Read a teleprompter?
Is Obama well educated?
Anyone seen his transcript?
He had no real business experience and it shows.

Reading a teleprompter or not, that's really a non-issue. Use what will help you sound better. I know he can carry himself in an interview, public debates and town hall meetings with Presidential ease.

Is Obama well-educated (I knew this would go back to Obama again)? Are you serious? Columbia... Harvard...

Abraham Lincoln had very little business experience as well. Neither did Reagan... But if that's a requirement you feel is critical, fair enough. But what's Sarah Palin's wealth of business experience that you find worthy of the Presidency?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Socialite

If you believe you are saved by works, you will look down at the poor. If you believe you were a sinner saved by grace (You couldn't help yourself, you couldn't save yourself) you will love the poor.

Oh how related this theology is to all issues.

Those who are with the Messiah, aren't only ministers by words, but also by deeds.

My view of the perspectives in this thread, far surpasses the issues of what is the proper role for government (which is worthy for debate), but more on how poor people are viewed.

What does that have to do with pushing big Gubment?

Christians don't use the gubment as a religious tool. Christians in a democracy speak against an intrusive and crooked gubment.

Phariseess want strong and authoritative central gubment. Tell people what to do.

Pharisees are so transparent.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

What does that have to do with pushing big Gubment?

Christians don't use the gubment as a religious tool. Christians in a democracy speak against an intrusive and crooked gubment.

Phariseess want strong and authoritative central gubment. Tell people what to do.

Pharisees are so transparent.

Don't you realize you've made this more about Big Government than anyone else has even suggested?

You've created your own false argument without anyone suggesting otherwise. And BTW, no government intervention and big government intervention are completely different topics.

There are Christians that have differing ways of serving the poor, and yet have differing views of the government's role. You've demonstrated a very negative, and frankly ugly view of the poor. That's the real travesty.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

This is a little old, (2007), but I could not find anything newer.

•Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three bedroom house with one and a half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
•Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
•Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two thirds have more than two rooms per person.
•The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
•Nearly three quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.
•Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
•Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
•Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Rep...rty-in-America

Great article. Socialite is pushing the big gubment agenda.

Heritage comments.

The remaining poverty in the U.S. can be reduced further, particularly poverty among children. There are two main reasons that American children are poor: Their parents don't work much, and fathers are absent from the home.

In good economic times or bad, the typical poor family with children is supported by only 800 hours of work during a year: That amounts to 16 hours of work per week. If work in each family were raised to 2,000 hours per year-the equivalent of one adult working 40 hours per week throughout the year- nearly 75 percent of poor children would be lifted out of official poverty.

Father absence is another major cause of child poverty. Nearly two-thirds of poor children reside in single-parent homes; each year, an additional 1.5 million children are born out of wedlock. If poor mothers married the fathers of their children, almost three-quarters would immediately be lifted out of poverty.

so it is a cultural values problem. Socialite says big Gubment has answers.

If mothers and fathers decided to get married before raising children together, we would have less poverty. So big Gubment is irrelevant. it is mostly a cultural value probllem. so big gubment schools give out birth control stuff, teach sex at early age and pay for abortions. So big gubment is part of the problem and not the solution. No wonder big Gubment doesn't want to teach abstinence as 100% effective,. No wonder big gubment advocates get so angry at me. Big gubment is in the carnality business.

The lawyers get a big cut when they fight over child support. No wonder both parents are broke. Heritage Foundation is a dirty word for the extreme left. They have too much truth.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

Great article. Socialite is pushing the big gubment agenda.

Heritage comments.



so it is a cultural values problem. Socialite says big Gubment has answers.

You just insist, don't you. Just keep making things up in that little conspiracy theory brain of yours.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Socialite

So you think I'm being mean to Coadie? You too?

Oh please... the guy has bad-mouthed the poor this entire thread... I've confronted that ugliness. And perhaps have done so imperfectly, but that attitude needs to clearly be confronted. Unfortunately, Coadie speaks for many of you more than his worldly perspective crosses you.

I will consider putting the coadster on ignore going forward.

No, my comment had nothing to do with you giys but just adding to your comment about how we perceive salvation can determine how we treat others. Kinda like we may have a problem with love because we lack the revelation of Gods great love.

[coadie]

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Rep...rty-in-America

In general, children born and raised outside marriage are seven times more likely to live in poverty than are children born and raised by married couples.[42]
Socialist says the gubment has the answers. I don't see them doing anything about that.

People should first learn what causes poverty before attacking people that give to the needy.

I think socialist is more concerned about Big Gubment control than exploring the causes and finding humane solutions.

Heritage pretty much agrees with what I have seen and been posting.
We have left wing propaganda and shrill talking points floating around.

I haven't been cursed at so much in a long time.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

No, my comment had nothing to do with you giys but just adding to your comment about how we perceive salvation can determine how we treat others. Kinda like we may have a problem with love because we lack the revelation of Gods great love.

We baptized a young man I had in a bible study 3 years ago and baptised him last month. His mom is always broke. She has 3 kids, never been married and all 3 have different dads. We are baptizing granny this month. Some of the family is in and out of jail. One of the cousins is on dope and lost custody of her 4 daughters we take to church. (4 dads)

But I am bad to the bone because They are broke and the gubment can't fix their problems. Only Jesus can.

I have been told I may miss the pearly gates because i don't believe the Gubment can save these folks.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by coadie

We baptized a young man I had in a bible study 3 years ago and baptised him last month. His mom is always broke. She has 3 kids, never been married and all 3 have different dads. We are baptizing granny this month. Some of the family is in and out of jail. One of the cousins is on dope and lost custody of her 4 daughters we take to church. (4 dads)

But I am bad to the bone because They are broke and the gubment can't fix their problems. Only Jesus can.

I have been told I may miss the pearly gates because i don't believe the Gubment can save these folks.

Some will think those who don't believe in GOV programs are unkind or uncaring, just they way it rolls.