Where do the lost spend eternity? Really!

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ah. BTW How was your mothers day? Was it as boring as mine?

Taco Bell for lunch was the highlight of my day.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He said he faked tongues and was told to just say whatever comes to mind...Im sorry but I've never in my life had random non-words and sounds come to my mind and just repeated them. He says he just repeated whatever came to his mind and that was how he "faked" tongues.

So if I had wanted to fake tongues and someone told me to just say what came to mind, I would have started speaking in english because I think in english. Most people just don't have random sounds spitting through their mind so they can repeat them and fake tongues....am I right?

Could it have really been the Holy Ghost? Did Timmy really just say whatever was coming to his mind OR since he says he faked it, maybe he just made up words of his own volition and misunderstood what the person was saying to him to do. They were not saying "make up some words" perhaps, but maybe were saying "if you hear different words in your mind, repeat those" and he misunderstood that to mean "just make up random sounds and spit them out"

Do you hear tongues in your mind and then say it out loud??

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad

Taco Bell for lunch was the highlight of my day.

Near Black Bear Diner, or near the dry cleaning place??

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Even the bible reports there are fakes, fake Christians, fake prophets. Tongues, real tongues serve a purpose.

BTW I am curious, you were told to say what came into your mind...are you saying there were words or sounds coming into your mind and you repeated them?

Pretty much. What I mean by "came into my mind" is like when you're just daydreaming, and thoughts just seem to pop in, uninvited. I'm sure that's not really what happens, though, and it's more like thoughts forming based on your own experiences and memories, without much conscious effort. In the case of tongues, it's memories of hearing others, and allowing my mind to process, modify, and combine them, to make them my own.

I don't think it was syllables and words "popping in" from some external source, like the HG or a demon, both of which I've heard as theories for this kind of thing. I think it was just "me".

[Steve Epley]

Timmy you did NOT answer me????????????????????????

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He said he faked tongues and was told to just say whatever comes to mind...Im sorry but I've never in my life had random non-words and sounds come to my mind and just repeated them. He says he just repeated whatever came to his mind and that was how he "faked" tongues.

So if I had wanted to fake tongues and someone told me to just say what came to mind, I would have started speaking in english because I think in english. Most people just don't have random sounds spitting through their mind so they can repeat them and fake tongues....am I right?

Could it have really been the Holy Ghost? Did Timmy really just say whatever was coming to his mind OR since he says he faked it, maybe he just made up words of his own volition and misunderstood what the person was saying to him to do. They were not saying "make up some words" perhaps, but maybe were saying "if you hear different words in your mind, repeat those" and he misunderstood that to mean "just make up random sounds and spit them out"

OK, a little more detail is needed! At first, I did use English. They "corrected" me, though, and said things like "don't use English! Say what the Spirit puts in your mind" or some such. Their theory was that, contrary to your experience, the Holy Spirit will tell you in your mind what to say, and it's up to you to say it (or not). Now, I figured that part out later, from hearing preachers and teachers describe their understanding of the process and so on. At the time of my baptism, they didn't really spell it out in detail (or maybe the preacher that night talked about it that way, I don't recall).

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Timmy

OK, a little more detail is needed! At first, I did use English. They "corrected" me, though, and said things like "don't use English! Say what the Spirit puts in your mind" or some such. Their theory was that, contrary to your experience, the Holy Spirit will tell you in your mind what to say, and it's up to you to say it (or not). Now, I figured that part out later, from hearing preachers and teachers describe their understanding of the process and so on. At the time of my baptism, they didn't really spell it out in detail (or maybe the preacher that night talked about it that way, I don't recall).

They were stupid if they did this. I would NOT tolerate this on second. The HGB brings tongues not the opposite.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Timmy you did NOT answer me????????????????????????

You mean about the $20 bills? No, I don't throw them away. Most of them are not fake. For your point to be valid, there must also be true tongues, etc. You could be right, but to use the $20 counterfeit argument doesn't make any difference in whether tongues are (or can be) real. If it did, it could also be used for other things like Leprechauns.

Also, you say my point about tongues and interpretation being of different lengths is bogus, because you have heard it happen too. I don't follow, sorry.

And, you have not answered me, either:

Aw, man, just when the sparring was getting interesting!

How about if I ask what you meant when you told Michlow "to Hell you will go" if she doesn't have a preacher in her life?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...0252#post80252

You have explained to me that saying Bishop Patterson "died lost" did not mean he necessarily would go to hell -- that's for God to decide. Why would that principle not apply to Michlow, also?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

They were stupid if they did this. I would NOT tolerate this on second. The HGB brings tongues not the opposite.

They didn't say the "opposite" (that the tongues brought the HGB). They say that the HG puts words into your mind, and you speak them. I think Praxeas is saying that's not how it works, but rather the HG controls your lips, tongue, vocal cords, etc and takes over the vocalizing directly. Is that how you would describe it? (And Praxeas, did I get that right, from what you said?)

I wouldn't say that's opposite. Just different steps in the process. One less step, in your case. Your way is more "efficient"!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Timmy

You mean about the $20 bills? No, I don't throw them away. Most of them are not fake. For your point to be valid, there must also be true tongues, etc. You could be right, but to use the $20 counterfeit argument doesn't make any difference in whether tongues are (or can be) real. If it did, it could also be used for other things like Leprechauns.

Also, you say my point about tongues and interpretation being of different lengths is bogus, because you have heard it happen too. I don't follow, sorry.

And, you have not answered me, either:

I have hear tongues(not in the spiritual sense) spoken and interpeted both by missionaries I have been to Haiti & Brazil and I have heard political speeches on the radio and the interpetation of what is spoken is not the same in lenght that is a fact. Have you ever heard a language translated?
Their are no doubt fake tongues as fake professions of faith it means nothing. There must be a real to produce a fake.