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[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Preachers are not called to tolerate sin.

They are called to preach the Word.

- You love your freedoms more than you love your God.

- You love your friends more than you love Truth.

- You love your opinion more than you love God's.

Maybe that's where you are stuggling - - who is tolerating sin?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Preachers are not called to tolerate sin.

They are called to preach the Word.

- You love your freedoms more than you love your God.

- You love your friends more than you love Truth.

- You love your opinion more than you love God's.

You is who? Me, AFF? I think you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Homosexuality is a sin, a perversion, and an abomination.

Homosexuality will keep you from heaven.

You cannot be a Christian and be a homosexual.

Unrepentant homosexuals will go to Hell.

Amen.

So, where's your problem? I do NOT believe anyone here has said differently.

[Charnock]

Romans 1:18

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"

"Holding the truth in unrighteousness is decisive of moral character. It is a state of total depravity, of total dishonesty in regard both to God and men. While the debt is admitted in words, and the obligation both to God and man in words is admitted, yet practically it is a denial of the obligation. The sinner virtually says--"I know I ought to obey God, but I will not. I know I ought to love my neighbor as myself, but I will not . I know I am indebted to God, but I will not pay him. I know I am indebted to man, but I care not for it--I will not pay him."

This, then, is making an open issue with God before the entire universe. It is a deliberate, known, practical, persistent rejection of his authority. Again, it is setting the worst possible example before God's subjects. Suppose a subject of any government to stand forth in the presence of all the subjects, and deliberately refuse to obey the laws; not merely [refuse] to obey some one law, but [refuse] to obey the laws in general and universally. Suppose the subject to admit the obligation, to admit the wisdom and justice, and equity, and necessity of the laws, but for unrighteous reasons to refuse to obey them; to take a course directly opposed to them; to persist in that course, and to hold fast his persistent resistance to the authority of the government--should not the wrath of the government be revealed against such a character as that?"

Charles Finney

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Romans 1:18

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"

"Holding the truth in unrighteousness is decisive of moral character. It is a state of total depravity, of total dishonesty in regard both to God and men. While the debt is admitted in words, and the obligation both to God and man in words is admitted, yet practically it is a denial of the obligation. The sinner virtually says--"I know I ought to obey God, but I will not. I know I ought to love my neighbor as myself, but I will not . I know I am indebted to God, but I will not pay him. I know I am indebted to man, but I care not for it--I will not pay him."

This, then, is making an open issue with God before the entire universe. It is a deliberate, known, practical, persistent rejection of his authority. Again, it is setting the worst possible example before God's subjects. Suppose a subject of any government to stand forth in the presence of all the subjects, and deliberately refuse to obey the laws; not merely [refuse] to obey some one law, but [refuse] to obey the laws in general and universally. Suppose the subject to admit the obligation, to admit the wisdom and justice, and equity, and necessity of the laws, but for unrighteous reasons to refuse to obey them; to take a course directly opposed to them; to persist in that course, and to hold fast his persistent resistance to the authority of the government--should not the wrath of the government be revealed against such a character as that?"

Charles Finney

Ok , point made. Scripture says when you have one like this you should kick the dust of the town(forum) from your sandels and move on.

Dont let the door hit ya brother.

[rgcraig]

Char, when you get your blood pressure down. Read this - - it was posted several months ago and reposted in the thread recently.

Originally Posted by Admin

An introduction to AFF policy for newbies and refresher for others:


From the Admin of the Apostolic Friends Forum

As Christians, our response to the issue of homosexuality is twofold:

1. Homosexuality is one of many sins that bring destruction and pain to the life of the sinner. There can be no positive outcome of sin, so compassion for the sinner requires that we lovingly apprise them of their need for change. Withholding truth from the lost is not a loving or compassionate response to their state. Therefore the forum will not shy away from noting what is sin from a scriptural standpoint, providing that truth is shared in love.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2. The Christian response to a sinner should be the same, no matter what the sin. We should respond with a biblically based solution that illustrates clearly the sinful nature of any particular deed, and also clearly illustrates the compassionate response of Christ to sin. He offers forgiveness to the repentant, plain and simple, and new life in Him. It is not judgmental to acknowledge what is sin, and in fact it is destructive to turn a blind eye to sin. If the lost are not convinced that they are in a position of estrangement from God, they will never be able to come to a place of repentance and be a recipient of His mercy. Therefore, as Christians, both on this forum, and in our personal lives, we should seek to lead sinners to repentance, so they might find new life in Christ.

Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.


II Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

As forum Admin, we will not allow the gay agenda to be pushed on this forum. Meaning, we will not allow a constant barrage of rhetoric designed to make those who adhere to biblical values and scriptural truths feel guilty or inferior. We will not allow a push for acceptance of the gay agenda and lifestyle, and call a rejection thereof a rejection of the individual. They are not one and the same, and should not be treated as such. A rejection of sin is not a rejection of the sinner.

We will not allow a defense of the gay agenda and lifestyle by more liberal leaning minds, or overt criticism toward those who don't practice a similar tolerance for sin.

There are numerous forums online where the gay agenda can be openly proclaimed, even within Christian ranks. There are numerous Christian groups (using the term loosely) who have decided to accept practicing homosexuals as brethren, and perhaps feel they are practicing the love of Christ in doing so. We feel they err, because the love of Christ involves freeing a soul from sin; not encouraging the soul to continue to wallow in the mire.

Therefore, while we allow debate and discussion on the AFF, and we encourage anyone to join who shares an interest in Apostolic topics and concerns, we will not allow an overt attack on biblical values and truths, and upon the character of those who live and preach the same.

Hopefully this will help clarify the forum's position on the matter, and frame future debates.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

And, so I can say, who cares that you are saddened too, but you know what - - I can't because I don't want any saddened.

My word, where is this anger coming from?

Forget AFF -- what I'm saddened at is the outbrust of emotions from people that should be reaching to all that are hurting even if they don't know it.

What I'm saddened about is some are making this more about the slide of this forum than souls that can be reached.

Why the outrage now? Just because a thread gets started on AMF to stir up you guys that's misleading because as stated before - - Chosenbyone was here over three years ago. You posted on that thread - - read some of your posts today when I bumped the thread.

If we had shut down CB1 his eternity could have been hell. You can stomp around all you want, but if one person is changed and saved because AFF or me or someone here has reached out to them, I'm glad for it.

I'm just amazed that as ministers there is such outrage. If you have a gay come to your church, do you throw him out? If you allow him to sit on your pew are you accepting his life style? Good grief - - think about it.

Baloney. No one has stirred me up, and I am not angry.

Please stop with the drama.

This is always the collective response of the apostates on AFF.

Demonize, marginalize and hypothesize.

You have an agenda, Renda. It's obvious. AFF is what you wanted it to be.

It stands for nothing but freedom of speech, and the notion that it exists to win souls is downright sickening.

How can you win a soul win you can't even discern what it takes to be saved?

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by scotty

Ok , point made. Scripture says when you have one like this you should kick the dust of the town(forum) from your sandels and move on.

Dont let the door hit ya brother.

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Char, when you get your blood pressure down. Read this - - it was posted several months ago and reposted in the thread recently.

Look at who has the rotten attitudes.

[Charnock]

Homosexuality is a selfish, depraved condition.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Char, when you get your blood pressure down. Read this - - it was posted several months ago and reposted in the thread recently.

I posted the link to that for Charnock last night. He obviously ignored it.

I think that statement is pretty clear.

We've had gay members here before, back when there were a lot of conservative members as well. A couple of them were allowed to stay. I do remember one in particular who was quickly banned because he started spouting blatant support for his lifestyle. The point being, it's the behavior that matters. I didn't know that the AFF (or the FCF/NFCF for that matter) was supposed to ban people for being sinners.

That's news to me.