What is Adultery? - Page 18

RandyWayne · #**171** 03-18-2010, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

More like ramblings, If a man is to leave his father and mother and join with his wife and become one flesh. Can he then become one flesh with more than one woman? Is not the joining of a man and woman bringing back the unity of that which God took from man to make woman? By adding more than one wife the man would be adding to his flesh not completing his flesh.

Exactly. Having more than one wife becomes more of a symbol of wealth then that of a partnership.

Neck · #**172** 03-18-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

I believe "restoration" should be just that....restoration. A return to where you were before. I agree, I wouldn't let my kids hang out with a repented pedophile, but I don't see how that relates to the discussion. That's an appropriate safeguard. For an adulterer, a proper safeguard may be not doing again the activities or temptations that led one to the adultery.

Restoration to me is only in regards to the soul not an entitlement to any self appointed position under the heading of a calling. Most often the restoration to position is like seeing Micky Rourke for a second go round in the movies.

RandyWayne · #**173** 03-18-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

So in essence you'd destroy a loving family who had sinned early on and been forgiven to restore a short lived loveless marriage?

Ladies and gentelman of the jury, I'd like to present to the prosecution Exhibit A, The Leaven of the Pharisees.

Chris, do you remember Bro Harvey from Apostolic Man several years ago? He held a very similar, if not exact view, of marriage that Thumper does. I actually really liked Harvey and agreed with many of his views but obviously disagreed vehemently (often to the point of pulling my hair out) with his views on divorce -oh yes, and birth control. He was one who thought that we were required to sire as many children as we possibly could, Dugger style, on our lifetime.

Neck · #**174** 03-18-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

So can you name an example in the bible of a person who was restored spiritually, but wasn't restored to their position?

Moses was restored but he did not fulfill his intended destiny. Noah and his family was cursed after he saved the human race. Manasseh was restored to his kingdom but is called the wickedest king in all of Israel to this day. It is one thing to be placed back into a position or called out by men. It is another to complete the work of your calling after you have fallen and found out about that act done in secret. Many that have fallen into adultery take their skill to cover up their acts and the forbidden to the care of great detail. It is not only the act of adultery it is the fact that they have to be dishonest in many area's of their lives to continue the deceit. Unravel the entire package of lies and you have the character of a man or woman that should not be in a spiritual position and it has nothing to do with calling, grace, restoration, but much more about selfishness.

RandyWayne · #**175** 03-18-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

Moses was restored but he did not fulfill his intended destiny. Noah and his family was cursed after he saved the human race. Manasseh was restored to his kingdom but is called the wickedest king in all of Israel to this day. It is one thing to be placed back into a position or called out by men. It is another to complete the work of your calling after you have fallen and found out about that act done in secret. Many that have fallen into adultery take their skill to cover up their acts and the forbidden to the care of great detail. It is not only the act of adultery it is the fact that they have to be dishonest in many area's of their lives to continue the deceit. Unravel the entire package of lies and you have the character of a man or woman that should not be in a spiritual position and it has nothing to do with calling, grace, restoration, but much more about selfishness.

Good post.
As I have said several times just in this thread, why do people think they need to be restored to the exact position in which they sinned? If someone committed adultery why do they feel they need to be put in a place where it can happen again? If they committed financial crimes, why do they need to be in charge of money again? If the committed sins against young children...... Well, you know where I am going with this.

MissBrattified · #**176** 03-19-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

But under grace, we rejoice if a failed/broken marriage is restored.

Only if the parties haven't remarried other people. The stipulation in the OT has to do with people who have remarried and would then return to the former spouse. Not just returning after a separation and divorce.

Neck · #**177** 03-19-2010, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Good post.
As I have said several times just in this thread, why do people think they need to be restored to the exact position in which they sinned? If someone committed adultery why do they feel they need to be put in a place where it can happen again? If they committed financial crimes, why do they need to be in charge of money again? If the committed sins against young children...... Well, you know where I am going with this.

Exactly right

Jermyn Davidson · #**178** 03-19-2010, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by U376977

Can a man be guilty of adultery and admit it. Repent. Divorce. Then marry the new woman he had the affair with, and be right with God? Does the fact they got "married" change it from being adultery?
What scriptures prove either way?

My opinion:

If the man is saved when the sin of adultery occurs, and the wife is the one pushing the divorce, then that Christian man is forbidden by scripture to remarry. He may be forgiven, but can not remarry.

So maybe the saved adulterer would be better to simply backslide completely, find the woman he really loves, marry her, make sure they're gonna last this time, and then repent and come back to the Lord.

Reads absolutely obsurd, doesn't it?

pelathais · #**179** 03-19-2010, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

My opinion:

If the man is saved when the sin of adultery occurs, and the wife is the one pushing the divorce, then that Christian man is forbidden by scripture to remarry. He may be forgiven, but can not remarry.

So maybe the saved adulterer would be better to simply backslide completely, find the woman he really loves, marry her, make sure they're gonna last this time, and then repent and come back to the Lord.

Reads absolutely absurd, doesn't it?

Yeah, it does. And yet I've seen people who have actually gone through all of those steps and they seemed to genuinely be thinking that they were doing the "right thing."

Aquila · #**180** 03-19-2010, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Chris, do you remember Bro Harvey from Apostolic Man several years ago? He held a very similar, if not exact view, of marriage that Thumper does. I actually really liked Harvey and agreed with many of his views but obviously disagreed vehemently (often to the point of pulling my hair out) with his views on divorce -oh yes, and birth control. He was one who thought that we were required to sire as many children as we possibly could, Dugger style, on our lifetime.

I do seem to remember that. lol

That was a long time ago!