Let me add quickly here that I don't have the time - at the moment - to engage in a lengthy debate regarding tithing. The next couple of weeks will be very busy for me as we move from where we are to Sugar Land where we are starting a Home Missions church. I work a full time job and then have other responsibilities when I get home, so I don't really have the luxury of a full out debate.
However, in a few weeks I would love to approach this subject again. I do think the one-on-one debate is a neat feature and could lend itself to productive dialouge. At the moment though I honestly just don't have the time to spend, and I do believe the emotion of it all is running high right now.
Got it ... when the majority calls a doctrine held by a minority a false doctrine it's not offensive but THE TRUTH.
And when one theirs is called false ... the WHINING, WAILING and GNASHING OF TEETH begins ...
Same difference ... happened here for over 2 years.
I might add, and it's probably been said allready.
I don't think to highly of one who runs into a problem on one forum and then runs off to another forum and starts a thread whining about his treatment on the other forum.
It just comes off to me as being a bit juvenile.
You had to have known, if you stick your hand in the honey jar, you are gonna make the bears mad.
It's always best to remember whose house you are in before you speak.
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They are kinda like clubs. If you don't like the pope, don't join the Knights of Columbus... if you do, and you go there telling them you don't like the pope, don't grip when they toss you on your ear.
Don't join the local rod and gun club if you don't like fishing and hunting and blah and blah and blah.
If a forum is known to be a forum where ministers of common beliefs go to slap each other on the back and amen each other, and that is really fine if that is what the members want, why go there to upturn their applecart? And then, when they toss you for doing something you knew would dump out their apples, why come here and gripe about it?
I have never joined AMF. I don't think it's a bad place, in fact, I think I would find more commonality of belief there than I do here.
But I like it here, and if I get banned, I ain't going somewhere else to complain.
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I always wonder how some pastors convince people that their job is so rough. That they get nothing themselves out of doing the job. That they are never appreciated. I mean it's almost like they try to make it sound like they hate their job...
Now as far as Jason starting this thread... You are asking us to believe that him not being banned would have been a legitimate thought with everything that led up to this incident. I don't think it was.
I can kind of understand also why OP would have called him a liar. There was a pevious thread about being banned from AMF by Jason. So it was probably just as a legitimate thought for him to think that Jason was just trying to get some attention.
But then again, I remember the first I got banned from AMF thread. And I don't remember OP leaving a very good impression for me there. I think that's what most people saw. So with that already in mind theres no reason he's not goina get slammed now for callin Jason a liar at the start of this thread.
As far as pastors being held to higher standards, I realize they are just people too. However, their whole office is about dealing with people. It's not so much that I think they need to be held to a higher standard, it's just that I expect they should be better at dealing with people in respectable ways than average joe.
So I don't think either one of them did anything particularly wrong. But I definately have a lesser opinion of OP as a result of these two threads. As far as Jason, maybe this was an attention stunt maybe it wasn't. But, until I see a little more of a pattern, I'm not goina judge.
Me too.
1Ti 3:2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
1Ti 3:3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
1Ti 3:4 He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive,
1Ti 3:5 for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?
1Ti 3:6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
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A forum is a forum. We can like it or leave. The owners thereof are free to make it whatever they want.
They are kinda like clubs. If you don't like the pope, don't join the Knights of Columbus... if you do, and you go there telling them you don't like the pope, don't grip when they toss you on your ear.
Don't join the local rod and gun club if you don't like fishing and hunting and blah and blah and blah.
If a forum is known to be a forum where ministers of common beliefs go to slap each other on the back and amen each other, and that is really fine if that is what the members want, why go there to upturn their applecart? And then, when they toss you for doing something you knew would dump out their apples, why come here and gripe about it?
I have never joined AMF. I don't think it's a bad place, in fact, I think I would find more commonality of belief there than I do here.
But I like it here, and if I get banned, I ain't going somewhere else to complain.
Theres the problem. It's okay for them to ban him. But its not okay for him to talk about being banned. Maybe he went out of his way to be banned. I wasn't there, I don't know. But regardless, if they are in the right to ban someone, then that someone is in the right to speak about their perception of the events that led up to them being banned.
Theres the problem. It's okay for them to ban him. But its not okay for him to talk about being banned. Maybe he went out of his way to be banned. I wasn't there, I don't know. But regardless, if they are in the right to ban someone, then that someone is in the right to speak about their perception of the events that led up to them being banned.
I reckon that is true. At least here anyway. At my forum I might ban someone for that....
1Ti 3:2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
1Ti 3:3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
1Ti 3:4 He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive,
1Ti 3:5 for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?
1Ti 3:6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
Good point prax. While I'm not so concerned with pastors being held to a higher standard, it seems the bible is intent that they be. I think of them just like any other Christian. But the passage you just quoted seems to speak of them needing to be a Christian of Christians.
A forum is a forum. We can like it or leave. The owners thereof are free to make it whatever they want.
They are kinda like clubs. If you don't like the pope, don't join the Knights of Columbus... if you do, and you go there telling them you don't like the pope, don't grip when they toss you on your ear.
Don't join the local rod and gun club if you don't like fishing and hunting and blah and blah and blah.
If a forum is known to be a forum where ministers of common beliefs go to slap each other on the back and amen each other, and that is really fine if that is what the members want, why go there to upturn their applecart? And then, when they toss you for doing something you knew would dump out their apples, why come here and gripe about it?
I have never joined AMF. I don't think it's a bad place, in fact, I think I would find more commonality of belief there than I do here.
But I like it here, and if I get banned, I ain't going somewhere else to complain.
Good points.
We would just reincarnate back as one of our alter egos!
I have to admit that I have griped (and joked) about being banned from EA, yet to be honest, it really didn't bother me at all, other then being miffed about some of the louder mouthed posters who WERE tolerated. Maybe it was because they were so over the top that it gave the more conservative population there something to rally around and amen each other over for each glorious point/post made in their "rebuttals".
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