Heavenlyone: So in other words you still have not provided a Scripture where a woman taught/preached to men FROM THE SCRIPTURES! There's absolutely NOTHING in the texts that you mentioned denoting this. You have supplied those meanings via your theology...not the literal text.
Besides, Anna was not under the church economy, or the epistles to the churches. Not that it matters, since nothing is said of her "preaching" or "teaching". I guess that everytime a woman walks into a bldg. & starts talking about the redemption of Christ...she's automatically a preacher??????? And yes, I honor the sacrifices of the Alvaer's, this is not the same as agreeing w/ the doctrine of women preachers, LOL! I agree, "amazing!"
Godsdrummer: You're right, I shouldn't & wouldn't sit under a woman preacher since it flies directly in the face of Scripture. In fact, if I'm at a meeting & a woman gets up to "preach" my wife & I are "outa' there"!
The scripture quoted is 1 Timothy 3:2 where it says a bishop/elder must be "the husband of one wife". Some have taken that to mean that a bishop/elder must be a married man, being single, or widowed, or divorced would disqualify him for ministry. Others take that to mean he could not be polygamous. Others have taken that to mean he could not be divorced and remarried.
That chapter also gives the requirements for deacons. Verse 12 says that deacons are to be the husband of one wife. Yet in Romans 16:1 the Apostle Paul (same person who wrote 1 Timothy) calls Phebe or Phoebe a servant/deacon/minister of the church in Cenchrea and instructs the congregation in Rome to receive her and assist her in whatever business she needs help with. This shows that a woman can (1) be a minister/deacon/servant and (2) can be involved in the business aspect of a church.
Even though Paul had said that an elder/bishop and a deacon/servant/minister should be the husband of one wife he had no problem commending Phoebe as a minister/deacon/servant. So if a woman can be a deacon/servant/minister with the requirement that she be "the husband of one wife" why couldn't a woman be a bishop/elder with the requirement that she be "the husband of one wife"? Maybe that requirement is generic and is just a prohibition against polygamy?
Wow, this is one loooong thread. Did anyone respond to Sam's (Jim LOL) post? I have never been too keen on the idea of a women being a pastor of a church (I guess the authority thing) but didn't seem to mind when a women speaker spoke. Hmmmm, this thread is interesting for sure.
LEAVE THE FISHING AND HUNTING OUT OF IT!!!!!!! Just like a woman! Always attacking good Godly activities!
These are Biblical things to do!
Hunting-
Act 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: Act 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Fishing-
Mat 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishermen.
THIS IS ONE REASON THAT WOMEN CAN NOT BE PASTORS, THEY HATE THESE GOOD GODLY MANLY ACTIVITIES!!!
MANLY activities? I think NOT! LOL!
Those who know me know that I am an avid deer and turkey hunter (gun, bow and muzzleloader for deer) and I'm pretty handy with a fishing pole as well. I love to trout fish but mostly I just fish for good ole pan fish.
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Those who know me know that I am an avid deer and turkey hunter (gun, bow and muzzleloader for deer) and I'm pretty handy with a fishing pole as well. I love to trout fish but mostly I just fish for good ole pan fish.
Well, you certainly are in one of the most beautiful parts of the country for that! Last time I checked you could get what, three deer with one license? Or was it only two?
Man did I get you going on that whoop stuff or what!
Heavenlyone: So in other words you still have not provided a Scripture where a woman taught/preached to men FROM THE SCRIPTURES! There's absolutely NOTHING in the texts that you mentioned denoting this. You have supplied those meanings via your theology...not the literal text.
Either you are being deliberately ridiculous, or it's just how you really are. I'm not sure.
Show me where Moses preached from scripture.
Show me where the NT preachers preached the NT messages from scripture.
And if you read scripture, you will find that Deborah and Huldah, to name a couple, couldn't have read from scripture. They were actually writing it!! Not literally, but their very words became scripture!! God's Word!! Men actually came to them and implored them to share the Word of God with them. Imagine that! I mean, there were qualified men there who could have done that without the womens help, I'm sure.
Too bad you weren't there to tell them they didn't have to do that, huh?
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Show you where men preached from the Scriptures in the NT? Glad to oblige: Peter texts Scripture on the day of Pentecost, Phillip "Preached to him [eunuch] Jesus." Paul preached & taught from the Scriptures in the last part of Acts [& other places as well]. There's mant more, but this should help you out for now !
Now, I'll give you the same liberty to show me where the text literally says that a woman did the same, including Deborah & Huldah! Who wasn't under the NT economy anyway! Not that it matters, since absolutely NOTHING is there about them "preaching/teaching from the Scriptures"! Still waiting on your Biblical "example".
What's soooooo amazing about your supposed examples validating women preachers is that Huldah actually had the Book brought to her [to reveal God's will, since she was a 'prophetess,' not a preacher]...yet she still refused to "preach"! Hmmmmmmm? Too bad you weren't there to correct Paul's teachings, huh?!
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I guess that everytime a woman walks into a bldg. & starts talking about the redemption of Christ...she's automatically a preacher???????
And I guess everytime a man walks into a bldg & starts to teach about Christ hes automatically part of the 5 fold ministry but let a woman do it and shes just "witnessing"?
LOLROTF! What a joke!
I really wish I had more time to PLAY but I work full time besides my ministry duties and I don't have internet at home.
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....but what should I expect from someone who can somehow justify women preachers from, "I do not allow a woman to teach, or to excercise authority over a man."
Spare me your "ministry duties," since they do not exist in the Bible!
And I never said that if a man walked into a bldg. & started speaking about Christ, he was automatically in the 5-fold ministry...that's apparently YOUR position [based upon Anna], not mine.
I look at Paul's writing about order and women in the church as a response to a disorderly church and confusion in the cities he writes to. I normally see the woman issue in the context of their culture, where women were not to speak and have authority, but in our culture, women do have this privilege.
One thing to reconcile, however, is that Paul cited the OT when talking about a woman teaching. He talked about Adam and Eve, and who came first, and used that to support his argument. That surely superceded, then, the culture. What do you guys think?
Mixed feelings about women preaching. Many would have never found the gospel if not for women who went into the mission fields! Was God really displeased with that? Is there a gender and human identity when the HG is moving on someone?
Mixed feelings about women preaching. Many would have never found the gospel if not for women who went into the mission fields! Was God really displeased with that? Is there a gender and human identity when the HG is moving on someone?
Oh good point. But some here would likely argue that the HS didn't move on them. The HS only moves on those people here give Him permission to move on sometimes.
I personally do feel that it would not be good for men to be "under" a woman's authority spiritually, but have no problem with a woman sharing from a platform and men listening.
The HS can speak through anyone the HS likes, who are we to decide what is best? He chose to speak through a donkey once too, remember?
Besides the HS speaking through a woman and men listening, both men and women are equal in God's eyes and both may have insights that will help the other.
So I guess for me, the issue is authority and not preaching. I suppose I might get bashed for that one, but who cares! Praise God for the Sister Alvears in the world!
The HS only moves on those people here give Him permission to move on sometimes. 
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