Don't you miss the days of Pres. BC?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by tbpew

TS, do you propose we incite a revolt?
If the Cali legislators went against the will of the majority (even more contrary since CA is a state governed by referendum rather than representation), the consequence should be that they (legislators) are removed from office by whatever means the public will can (or chooses to) engage.

Voting? Political zealotry? We should all follow what the example of our master and his leading.

God is still God even though women are being brutally and physchologically raved by 'rape as a weapon' in the Congo.

TS, I can not answer your question:
"So should the govvernment stay out of how many wives a man can have? How dare them have laws against beastality. Who are they to say a 16year old girl can't have sex with a 45 yeard old man. Who are ther to regulate these folks lives??? What nerve!"

To provide a true witness I would also need to have an answer why goverments (authorities) turn away from brutality comitted against the weakest citizens exists. God's purposes and potency is not predicated on the strength of my arms. Should we all take up weapons and go hunt down and kill the rapists? Choose your activism....Jesus certainly seemed to.

If your calling is to be voice against injustice, maybe there are better forums for your cause.

I'm not advocating a revolt. never implied that.

I notice you can not answer if my question about government regulating what I listed but you imply they shouldn't regulate against gay marriage. Amazing indeed.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I'm not advocating a revolt. never implied that.

I notice you can not answer if my question about government regulating what I listed but you feel they shouldn't regulate against gay marriage. Amazing indeed.

TS,
you're not a guy big on specific answers either.
I have shared my perspective within the light of the reality of a present world.

If you are amazed...be amazed.

If this general topical concern pertains to the Kingdom of our Lord, legions of his angels will fight.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by tbpew

TS,
your not a guy big on specific answers either.
I have shared my perspective within the light of the reality of a present world.

If you are amazed...be amazed.

If this general topical concern pertains to the Kingdom of our Lord, legions of his angels will fight.

I run from no question! lol

On forums it easy to not cover all the corners, I know.

But don't understand how you can not answer about regulating some things but not marriage.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I run from no question! lol

On forums it easy to not cover all the corners, I know.

But don't understand how you can not answer about regulating some things but not marriage.

TS,
I am outta here after this post and I will give you the last word (if you so choose).
Government can not 'regulate' anything concerning human conduct.
All they can do is legislate punitive measures for those few that law enforcement catches and a judicial system tries and sentences.

Millions of fornicating humans fill our neighborhoods, schools, and public places.
Why does the US government not oppose this uniguely destructive behavior the way the scriptures do? The way the Taliban does?

Lieing is pandemic.
Why does the US government not oppose this abominable behavior the way the scriptures do?

What do you want ambassadors of God's Kingdom to stir-up among the governments of men?...and to what end?

Are you a "Kingdom Now" teacher who is waiting for the moral majority to usher back some new Garden of Eden on earth?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ron

Sounds noble, but you can not throw Christian values & principles out the window for political expediency!

Bro, if I were engaging in sinful activities to advance to public office, I’d be throwing out my Christian values. I’m straight. I don’t plan on marrying another man. I don’t plan on performing a gay marriage. Nobody’s compromising any Christian principles by taking a stand for a free country wherein many will no doubted choose to live non-Christian lives. When I was in the military I had to come to grips with what I was willing to fight for. A “Christian Nation”? No. A nation that is only free for those that I agree with? No. A FREE country where there is liberty and justice for ALL? Yes. And ALL means ALL.

Remember, it is just a short distance to gays being in power & making laws & don't think they will be so kind & merciful to Christians!

Christianity flourishes under persecution. It might be the best thing for us. But frankly, that’s like arguing that since they’ll persecute us, we should persecute them first. Bro, that’s not Christian either. We should stand for FREEDOM. And if they ever do turn to persecute us we will be remembered as lovers of freedom for all men… but if society sees us as religious extremists who want to use government to control non-Christian peoples and their lifestyles…they’ll just think that we’re getting what we deserve. What goes around comes around.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by tbpew

Truthseeker,
Do you think we should fine, imprison, or possibly even stone fornicators?
[stoning mostly in the cases when the fornicator was engaged to be married to someone else]

I ask the question when folks (like you) seem to propose that we, the righteous-by-faith called out ones, attempt to regulate what secular governments do concerning the unbeliever's lifestyle.

Is there a bigger perspective here that might better serve how we direct our energies?

I think most have been socially conditioned by conservative “group think” to believe it’s their duty to impose their religious extremism on others. This solidifies them as the base of the conservative political movement. They loose sight of true liberty only believing that those they define as “good people” should be free.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

So that is a yes for marriage licenses for homosexuals. Unbelievable. No offense but you got issues.

No. It’s a “yes” for liberty and justice for ALL. You either believe in it or you don’t. I wore the uniform and am sworn to protect this concept. Sorry bro… I’m a Christian, meaning that I personally live a Christian life. I’m also an American, meaning that I believe that all men (even gays and those I disagree with) should be free.

It’s called “Freedom”. Let’s spell it F-R-E-E-D-O-M. Again, you either believe in it or you don’t.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Has nothinhg to do with granting gays marriage licenses.

Does not the more immoral a society come bring greater strongholds and more vileness?

A moral society is a free society. You see, FREEDOM is holy, even when men use that freedom to choose not to live holy. Freedom is holy even when men are not.

So should the govvernment stay out of how many wives a man can have?

No. That’s your business bro. If you can find the ladies who would be interested and your faith community embraces polygamy, why should the government meddle in the choices of consenting private citizens? We have Muslims and Mormons, and many others in this country who live in polygamous arrangements that lay low and are law abiding citizens. Many “Christians” who are Evangelical even have “arrangements” of this nature though not legally married, though they would be if it were legal. It’s a private matter. Society can place pressure on the private level to discourage outlandish lifestyles. We don’t need the government poking its nose into our marriages or bedrooms.

How dare them have laws against beastality.

Isn’t that PETA’s line? LOL Animals are consenting adult citizens.

Who are they to say a 16year old girl can't have sex with a 45 yeard old man.

She’s not a legal adult citizen.

Who are they to regulate these folks lives??? What nerve!

A person’s private life is just that, rather we like it or not. It’s private. You’re private life is private. The things you and your wife do, the things you buy to entertain yourselves, and the articles of clothing you buy her, that’s all private. It’s no one’s business. Not mine or the governments. There are more prevalent perversions practiced by straight couples, but no one would dare give the government the right to meddle in our private lives. Private lives are exactly that… private.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

First, MAJORITY of voters are against gay marriage, so the lawmakers/judges that are fighting for gay rights DO NOT represent the majority.

The majority of Americans are for civil unions predicated upon equal rights under the law.

You know what's funny, Cali voted against gay marraige but Obama carried Cali, kinda strange.

See above.

Are you saying Christians should not be involved in politics, run for office or vote?? And should they lay aside morality if they do so???

If a Christian has the guts to stand for liberty and justice for all, I strongly support they run for office. However, if they want to legislate their religious beliefs, I think they would do better as pastors than politicians.

Remember, FREEDOM is holy and moral. Even if men choose to do evil. It’s always a powerless gospel that turns to the police power of government to force it’s beliefs on a population. That’s exactly that the Roman Catholic Church did. When the church quests for political power to enforce its beliefs, you know she’s become corrupt and powerless. Christian politicization isn’t the answer; it’s a symptom of a more serious problem in the church: Corruption and powerlessness.

BTW You didn't address this:

So should the govvernment stay out of how many wives a man can have? How dare them have laws against beastality. Who are they to say a 16year old girl can't have sex with a 45 yeard old man. Who are ther to regulate these folks lives??? What nerve!

I gave my opinion on this in a post above.

[Aquila]

I love ya bro. But I think my conviction can be summed up with this....

Freedom is holy even when men are not.