The Apostolic Welfare Culture

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Those things should be done in accordance with God's word. If someone can't handle THOSE statements I doubt they are committed in any other area of Christianity.

Handouts?

That's called "your reasonable service".

I can't believe it PP and I are on the same page with this one.

Handouts indeed, what an insult.

[tv1a]

The church will never go higher than the pastor's vision. It's got to come from the top down.

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

If church is dead why don't you get in the prayer room and pray and worship until it breacks/

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The church will never go higher than the pastor's vision. It's got to come from the top down.

Are you saying the pastor has a role to play? OMG I can't believe it!

And are you implying that the pastor is the "top"?
Wouldn't that mean he has some sort of authority?

I guess he only has authority when we need someone to blame, hmmmmm?

[tv1a]

No I'm saying the church can go no higher than the pastor vision. That is diferent than blaming the congregation because of the lack of ability to get them to buy into the vision.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Are you saying the pastor has a role to play? OMG I can't believe it!

And are you implying that the pastor is the "top"?
Wouldn't that mean he has some sort of authority?

I guess he only has authority when we need someone to blame, hmmmmm?

[Nina]

Originally Posted by Eliseus

If men assert dominion among individuals when the Spirit is supposed to have sole dominion, then such men do not have the religion of the Bible.

"That Wicked One... the Son of Perdition... who sitteth in the TEMPLE OF GOD, showing himself that he is God..."

The church is the temple of God. Who then sits in the church of God in God's place? The "man of sin, the son of perdition". The Son of Perdition is a title given to Judas, who BETRAYED the Lord... Paul said that those who partake of the Lord's Supper to the detriment of their brethren are "guilty of the Lord's body and blood" because they do not "discern the body" (which, WE are the body).

So then, whenever anyone in the church attempts to usurp God's authority and dominion over others, or even over themself, they fulfill the role and spirit of the son of perdition, Judas, the betrayer of our Lord.

Just some thoughts.

Wow!

If this is truth, then the Judgement is going to be shocking!

Nina

[Nahum]

Question:

Does the church exist to support individuals?

Or do individuals exist to support the church?

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Question:

Does the church exist to support individuals?

Or do individuals exist to support the church?

Or in other words:

Is the church a hospital or a kingdom?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Or in other words:

Is the church a hospital or a kingdom?

Exactly.

Earlier today, I had a conversation with my best friend about this.

I do not believe saints are to be mindless drones, only about the business of the local church. I do not believe the local church comes first. I do believe the local assembly should exist to empower individual Christians to higher service for Jesus.

When these priorities are in order, the local church should be healthy, well attended and strong.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Exactly.

Earlier today, I had a conversation with my best friend about this.

I do not believe saints are to be mindless drones, only about the business of the local church. I do not believe the local church comes first. I do believe the local assembly should exist to empower individual Christians to higher service for Jesus.

When these priorities are in order, the local church should be healthy, well attended and strong.

You, my friend, are enlightened!