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08-07-2008, 11:59 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
CC1 - in Esther's incident the pastor is not aware that it's going on.
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which makes me question the pastor even more...
how can you NOT discern something is off, way off????
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08-07-2008, 12:00 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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OH! OH!!! I went and read the other posts on this thread! All of this talk to slam the UPC (and I am NOT UPC by the way) ......
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You had better go back and re read the posts. Esther did not start the thread to "slam" the UPC. Some over sensitive people felt the need to defend what was not being attacked.
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08-07-2008, 12:01 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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which makes me question the pastor even more...
how can you NOT discern something is off, way off????
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Inexperience?
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08-07-2008, 12:19 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Inexperience?
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but IMO, that doesnt excuse overlooking a very serious underlying issue in his church....you know what I mean? IF this kind of behavior is being practiced, talked about...whatever.....it's a sure sign something isnt right, you know?
seems like a pastor, or perhaps some other seasoned elder would pick up on SOMETHING being off....
it just bothers me more when we hear about things coming to light in a church that literally destroys the innocents involved and you find out it went on for a very long time......where is the discernment?
Maybe I expect too much....I'm not surprised by the behavior creeping into the church....it seems so many of the younger generations go to church b/c of tradition or habit...there isnt much "relationship" with God anymore...it's such a social scene.....there isnt much moving of the spirit in churchs anymore.
What happened to that being the NORM?
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08-07-2008, 12:29 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
Theresa,
I believe that's what Esther is asking too.
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08-07-2008, 12:32 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Theresa,
I believe that's what Esther is asking too.
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too bad this turned into a discussion of the ORGANIZATION....*roll eyes*
We never really discuss the ROOT of the problem...
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08-07-2008, 12:36 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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too bad this turned into a discussion of the ORGANIZATION....*roll eyes*
We never really discuss the ROOT of the problem...
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The root of this problem is FLESH............sin.............
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08-07-2008, 01:09 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Originally Posted by U376977
You had better go back and re read thnd he posts. Esther did not start the thread to "slam" the UPC. Some over sensitive people felt the need to defend what was not being attacked.
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I see. I guess thats what happens when you jump in after just skimming a few miscellaneous posts,
I will have to do better the next time. However having been exposed to just exactly that tendency by ANY denomination group or sub group to mischaracterize those of OTHER groups that just kind of resonated with me.,
My bad. I will try to be much more thorough in my reading before I comment,
Thanks
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08-07-2008, 01:22 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Oh, well, sorry to contribute to that--my clarification will help--my experience took place at an independent ultra-con church.  |
LOL!!! I had the son of an ultra con pastor tell me one time that when he was with a girl in a hotel room they always made sure they turned the TV to face the wall so they would not be tempted to watch it after sex!
The truth is sexual sin happens in every paradigm of Pentecost, Chrisitanity, and the general population.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-07-2008, 01:23 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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The root of this problem is FLESH............sin.............
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Sometimes very shapely flesh!!!!!!!!!!! 
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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