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Old 03-18-2007, 04:20 PM
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It would be like me saying ...... "N"ow God you know that I tithe faithfully and so therefore I'm laying these dollar bills and change over my daughter and pray that you will heal her because of my obedience to your Word."

Pretty much the same idea.

A little wonky if you ask me.
Why, Felicity? There are multiple prayers in the psalms where petitions include a record of obedience on the part of the petitioner. It is indeed Biblical to approach the giver with a citing of the faithful record of the requester.

I will confess that I have at times approached God in a time of need with such an attitude... not to earn anything of Him but to remind Him that I have been faithful. Yes he knows but I still have done it!

I would imagine or guess that most of you have done the same!
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:21 PM
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Felicity has not misrepresented this lady's words or prayer or the post in general. I don't do that and you should know this as well as anybody given the time I've been posting online on the same forums as you. Come on bro. This is not fair.

This woman made the claim in her prayer that her hair was a "veil of protection". She then spread it over her child and called on God to heal her husband.
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:23 PM
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Why, Felicity? There are multiple prayers in the psalms where petitions include a record of obedience on the part of the petitioner. It is indeed Biblical to approach the giver with a citing of the faithful record of the requester.

I will confess that I have at times approached God in a time of need with such an attitude... not to earn anything of Him but to remind Him that I have been faithful. Yes he knows but I still have done it!

I would imagine or guess that most of you have done the same!
I have sometimes "reminded" God of my faithfulness in obedience to His word about finances when I have needed something. But I have not said that there was power or protection in my tithing/offerings. I think there's a big difference.
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:25 PM
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"My hair is a veil of protection for me and my family. My hair is my glory and power with the angels."

This is what I have a problem with.
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:30 PM
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Why, Felicity? There are multiple prayers in the psalms where petitions include a record of obedience on the part of the petitioner. It is indeed Biblical to approach the giver with a citing of the faithful record of the requester.

I will confess that I have at times approached God in a time of need with such an attitude... not to earn anything of Him but to remind Him that I have been faithful. Yes he knows but I still have done it!

I would imagine or guess that most of you have done the same!
I have indeed done the same and alluded to it in another post I made as follows here......
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Sure -- Hezekiah did that and got good results!


However, I do not believe my hair is a "veil of protection" as this woman believes and I do not spread it over anything or take it down or whatever in order to achieve any specific result.

Now I believe she did what she did because she feels there is some kind of power in the hair. She herself said that her hair gave her "power with the angels". The Bible doesn't teach that hair gives you power over or with anything.

Even when I didn't cut my hair....when it remained uncut .... I never believed that it gave me extra spiritual power with God or angels and I never took it down or spread it over people or an altar or whatever as a symbol of such.

It's ERROR to believe that there is power in hair and that it is a "veil of protection". Pure and simple error.
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:59 PM
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"My hair is a veil of protection for me and my family. My hair is my glory and power with the angels."

This is what I have a problem with.
As do I...
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Old 03-18-2007, 05:00 PM
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I have indeed done the same and alluded to it in another post I made as follows here......




However, I do not believe my hair is a "veil of protection" as this woman believes and I do not spread it over anything or take it down or whatever in order to achieve any specific result.

Now I believe she did what she did because she feels there is some kind of power in the hair. She herself said that her hair gave her "power with the angels". The Bible doesn't teach that hair gives you power over or with anything.

Even when I didn't cut my hair....when it remained uncut .... I never believed that it gave me extra spiritual power with God or angels and I never took it down or spread it over people or an altar or whatever as a symbol of such.

It's ERROR to believe that there is power in hair and that it is a "veil of protection". Pure and simple error
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Old 03-18-2007, 06:40 PM
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MArgie,

You should go to work for US intelligence. You read well what is not written and I am sure your bias does not affect your interpretation of what you read between the lines at all.

It is clear to any 3rd grader that she identified clearly the reason for the spreading of her hair... evidence of her obedience. She then clearly identifies to whom she is praying and from whom she is expecting the miracle.

You and Felicity and Sherri and Renda and all the others have done exactly as Ogia has suggested... you have intentionally misrepresented what is written in order to substantiate and support your uncontrollable desire to justify your position by ridiculing and misrepresenting the position of another.

I love ya'll but you are all way of base in your assessment of this story!
Bro. Phil, I am disappointed here...

First, the sisters you mentioned were not alone in their assessment of the incident...I have been a front runner in this discussion as well. Was my name omitted because a.) my hair is uncut so there is no credence to the theory of justifying a position, b.) my points were not worthy of mention, or c.) all of the above?!

Second, I am not the brightest bulb in this chandelier of brilliance here, Elder, but nothing was misrepresented. The woman said that her hair was a veil of protection...I just don't see that in Scripture.
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Old 03-18-2007, 07:07 PM
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Rachel's husband was diagnosed with a degenerative nerve disease that is ultimately fatal, no cure. All his test initially were positive for this disease. This disease was very painful, it began in his feet.

Rachel got up one morning after the diagnosis was given to them, she took her long, uncut hair down and laid it over her husband's feet.

She said, "Lord, I made a covenant with you not to cut my hair. My hair is a veil of protection for me and my family.

My hair is my glory and power with the angels.

And as I lay my hair before you, uncut in obedience to your Word, I am asking you to heal and protect my husband from this disease that has been diagnosed."

Your long, uncut hair is your glory, your power with the angels, and a covenant between you and the ONE that will supply all your needs. Hopefully,
I repeat, unbiblical. False doctrine. Even a third grader can understand the points made here.

Where is faith? Where is "in answer to my prayer I believe you for healing"?
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Old 03-18-2007, 07:09 PM
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I repeat, unbiblical. False doctrine. Even a third grader can understand the points made here.

Where is faith? Where is "in answer to my prayer I believe you for healing"?
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