If this is true.......several members of the WPF General Counsel serve on the General Board, so this could be very interesting indeed.
I can quote a very well known conference preacher (name withheld to protect the guilty) who told his DS "please don't make me choose, because you might not like the choice I make." If the UPCI takes such a stand, the have not learned anything from their past. The AMF, AWCF, both gained members who had no intention of leaving, but were not going to be "forced" to be exclusive. IMHO this decision, if indeed true, would take the UPCI back into the dark ages as it relates to open fellowship and breaking down the walls that separate us that KH has been an advocate of.
I'm puzzled by your perspective, bishoph. Who has been promoting the divisions? Who has been holding seperate Youth Camps? Wasn't the very first action of the WPF the organization of a seperate Bible Quizzing ministry?
I'm puzzled by your perspective, bishoph. Who has been promoting the divisions? Who has been holding seperate Youth Camps? Wasn't the very first action of the WPF the organization of a seperate bible Quizzing ministry?
Being missing you, bro! Good to see you.
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I don't think that. Did not mean to imply that. I just don't see how they had any other choice in the matter!
UPCI WPF
dues yep
bible quizing yep
ladies min yep
F Missions yep
Gen Conf Summit
Etc. yep
So how can one be a part of both? The other would suffer. Different directions or focus! Just too confusing!
I agree. The whole clarion call of the WPF was "Mapping a Preferred Direction..." "Preferred" means different. If the WPFer's are out, it's because they have chosen to leave.
The fact that they dallied about and fed out so much disinformation shows that they've been trying to manipulate the General Board into acting all along - if indeed the GB has even acted yet.
The fact that the GB hasn't acted is probably a huge disappointment for many of them.
wpf is the final step of segration for legalistic minded individuals.
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Who has been erecting the walls that separate us? Who has denied fellowship to whom? Is this the pot not calling the kettle black? Many WPF'rs have not changed. The had erected walls between them and others in the UPCI already. They had already formed their own fellowship groups, youth camps, and the like.
To now accuse the UPCI of erecting walls of separation between us is ludicrous. Actually, this move was probably the anticipated response the WPF leadership expected from the UPCI. Then they can highlight their stance of "we are not causing division, they are." Of course this kind of logic begs the question of who left whom?
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wpf is the final step of segration for legalistic minded individuals.
While I'm certain that I would not fit in with the WPF crowd, I'd have to say that there are more extreme elements representing division and legalism.
And that may be the ultimate failing of the WPF - they haven't really appeared to have convinced their core constituency of "holier than thou's" to get on board. My impression is that those who think the UPC "will split hell wide open" with it's compromise, may see the same "compromise" in the WPF.
But the WPF has been playing a careful game so far. They may have a strategy to become more extreme once a final break with the UPC is achieved. It's just that their strategy depends upon the UPC making the next move. Nothing happens until the GB "kicks them out." They desperately want to be able to tell each other that "they took the high road" and became martyrs.
On an historical note, in the medieval church a person was never declared to be a "martyr" if they had engineered their own death. These guys will have a hard job selling their martyrdom to anyone outside of their clique.
For some reason everyone seems to want to reenact 1916 over and over again. "We got kicked out...!"
While I'm certain that I would not fit in with the WPF crowd, I'd have to say that there are more extreme elements representing division and legalism.
And that may be the ultimate failing of the WPF - they haven't really appeared to have convinced their core constituency of "holier than thou's" to get on board. My impression is that those who think the UPC "will split hell wide open" with it's compromise, may see the same "compromise" in the WPF.
But the WPF has been playing a careful game so far. They may have a strategy to become more extreme once a final break with the UPC is achieved. It's just that their strategy depends upon the UPC making the next move. Nothing happens until the GB "kicks them out." They desperately want to be able to tell each other that "they took the high road" and became martyrs.
On an historical note, in the medieval church a person was never declared to be a "martyr" if they had engineered their own death. These guys will have a hard job selling their martyrdom to anyone outside of their clique.
For some reason everyone seems to want to reenact 1916 over and over again. "We got kicked out...!"
Should fill you in pelathais. The GB voted on this Monday and it passed.
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If that is the case, the creation of wpf is even less honorable. There is no reason for the wpf existence other than egos and self centered interests. No one showed them the door. The extreme element is running the wpf.
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While I'm certain that I would not fit in with the WPF crowd, I'd have to say that there are more extreme elements representing division and legalism.
And that may be the ultimate failing of the WPF - they haven't really appeared to have convinced their core constituency of "holier than thou's" to get on board. My impression is that those whole think the UPC "will split hell wide open" with it's compromise, may see the same "compromise" in the WPF.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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