Saved WithOut The Holy Ghost ?

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

The Gospel = death, burial and resurrection of Christ

Our obedience (response) to the Gospel = death, burial, resurrection

Our response to the gospel is BELIEVING & TRUSTING!

That don't make sense, huh.....that's just too easy, isn't it? That's just foolishness, aint it?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Our response to the gospel is BELIEVING & TRUSTING!

That don't make sense, huh.....that's just too easy, isn't it? That's just foolishness, aint it?

So you can believe, yet not obey? The bible states that the Spirit is given to them that OBEY. Easy believism doesn't cut it as far as salvation is concerned.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

The Gospel = death, burial and resurrection of Christ

Our obedience (response) to the Gospel = death, burial, resurrection

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Our response to the gospel is BELIEVING & TRUSTING!

That don't make sense, huh.....that's just too easy, isn't it? That's just foolishness, aint it?

J-Roc, believing and trusting don't negate the need to obey the gospel.
Why do you have a problem with the concept that the gospel requires obedience as well as belief and trust in God??

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Our response to the gospel is BELIEVING & TRUSTING!

That don't make sense, huh.....that's just too easy, isn't it? That's just foolishness, aint it?

Do you do away with repentance too??

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Our response to the gospel is BELIEVING & TRUSTING!

That don't make sense, huh.....that's just too easy, isn't it? That's just foolishness, aint it?

Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense. But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength.....God has united you with Christ Jesus. For our benefit God made him to be wisdom itself. Christ made us right with God; he made us pure and holy, and he freed us from sin. (1 Corinthians 1)

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So you can believe, yet not obey? The bible states that the Spirit is given to them that OBEY. Easy believism doesn't cut it as far as salvation is concerned.

NOPE, That is not what the Bible says...Paul addresses your question.


There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law. (Romans 3)

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

J-Roc, believing and trusting don't negate the need to obey the gospel.
Why do you have a problem with the concept that the gospel requires obedience as well as belief and trust in God??

You are misrepresenting my beliefs by suggesting I have a problem with obedience....in fact, I addressed this in my previous post.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

NOPE, That is not what the Bible says...Paul addresses your question.


There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law. (Romans 3)

NOPE to you.

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

IF one does not obey, they do not receive his Spirit.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Our response to the gospel is BELIEVING & TRUSTING!

That don't make sense, huh.....that's just too easy, isn't it? That's just foolishness, aint it?

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Do you do away with repentance too??

.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So you can believe, yet not obey? The bible states that the Spirit is given to them that OBEY. Easy believism doesn't cut it as far as salvation is concerned.

Obedience comes when the heart falls in love with Jesus. "If you love me, keep my commandments." You cannot obey until you love him, you cannot love him until he has forgiven you. "To whom much is forgiven, the same loveth much." You fall in love when you receive his forgiveness and recognize his sacrifice for your sin.

Here's the real plan of salvation.
1. Come to God with a heart of repentance seeking him to be Lord of your life.
2. Jesus saves you and washed you.
3. You are greatful for forgiveness and Calvary.
4. You fall in love with Jesus.
5. You submit to his will for your life which includes baptism as a sign of inward faith.
6. You fall in love with him more everyday.
7. You surrender to his will again.
8. You seek the baptism of the H.G.
9. You stay close to Jesus and develop a relationship with him.
10. You start helping people and loving everyone you meet.
11. You stop complaining.
12. You stop gossiping on AFF
13. You stop telling everybody else their lost.
14. You surrender again to Jesus and his will for your life.
15. You continuous live by the renewing of His word.
16. You walk in humility before the Lord.
17. You go on a 40 day fast.
18. You cook burritos and peanut brittle until you can't stand up anymore.
19. You pay your tithes and offerings faithfully.
20. You teach Sunday School.
21. You go to revival 14 nights in a row and pray each other through again and again.
22. You get old and grumpy.
23. You get old and don't like what the kids are listening to or are wearing.
24. You develop chronic fatique syndrome.
25. You develop arthritis.
26. You develop diabetes.
27. Eventually you die.