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Old 02-16-2011, 01:17 PM
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And which one of these women expounded from the Scriptures to men:______________? C'mon Prax...can't you at least fill out O-N-E blank? Purrtttyyy pleeeeeease!
You changed the topic to "show me a prophetess in the NT" and that is what we've been discussing. Now that you've been refuted you changing the topic again?

Im gonna bump my post again, the one you never addressed
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Old 02-16-2011, 01:20 PM
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I just did present evidence of a prophetess. Do you really think you can win an argument by introducing smilies? lol good grief

Let's refresh your memory again. What IS a prophetess?

Luk 2:36 And there was a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived with her husband seven years from when she was a virgin,

The greek word here is the feminine tense of the masculine form for prophet.

The same word is used in the LXX version of the OT
Jdg 4:4 Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time.

2Ki 22:14 So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asaiah went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe (now she lived in Jerusalem in the Second Quarter), and they talked with her.

So what is a prophet?
Act 21:10 While we were staying for many days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea.
Act 21:11 And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands and said, "Thus says the Holy Spirit, 'This is how the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.'"

Prophet
In the NT prophḗtēs corresponds to the person who in the OT spoke under divine influence and inspiration. This included the foretelling future events or the exhorting, reproving, and threatening of individuals or nations as the ambassador of God and the interpreter of His will to men (Ezek. 2). Hence the prophet spoke not his own thoughts but what he received from God, retaining, however, his own consciousness and self-possession (Exo_7:1; 2Pe_1:20-21; especially 1Co_14:32).

And as we have seen a prophetess is a feminine version of the same word

So it's interesting that the verse in question comes just before the one above

(II) To tell forth God's message, hence the noun prophḗtēs (G4396), prophet, is the proclaimer, one who speaks out the counsel of God with the clearness, energy, and authority which spring from the consciousness of speaking in God's name and having received a direct message from Him to deliver. Thus one may prophesy without being a prophet in the strict sense of the word. A prophḗtēs, both in the OT and NT, is not primarily one who foretells things to come, but who (having been taught of God) speaks out His will (Deu_18:18; Is. chap. 1; Jer. chap. 1; Ezek. chap. 2; 1Co_14:3). The art of heathen

Those girls were prophetesses. They prophecied.

Now let's look at the gift!
1Co 14:3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation.

Notice next how prophecy is one of the ways to edify the church like teaching?

1Co 14:6 Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?

Then Notice what Paul says to the church?
1Co 14:26 What should you do then, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each one has a song, has a lesson, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all these things be done for the strengthening of the church.

Also notice what Paul says about those exercising the gift of prophecy? He calls them prophets
1Co 14:29 Two or three prophets should speak and the others should evaluate what is said.

And what is prophecy for? Learning
1Co 14:31 For you can all prophesy one after another, so all can learn and be encouraged.

"Preacher" is not an office. Teachers are not Preachers. A teacher can be a preacher but those office or rolls are not the same. Same goes for the other offices. So the words are not synonymous.

The word Preach means to proclaim. Notice Paul uses it distinctly from being an Apostle and a teacher
1Ti 2:7 For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

Sorry but you haven't done your homework.
Bump. Paul defines one that prophecies as a Prophet and says it's so we can LEARN
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Old 02-16-2011, 01:28 PM
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A greeting is not equivolent to God's order of creation & the violation there-of. "For Adam was FIRST formed, THEN Eve."

And, I HAVE done this before [as well as many I know]...did it say to do it "everytime":_____________? Nope! So, your silly "Kis" argument is moot in my case. And YES, I have said publically that we should be doing this still! Next.....
You are obfuscating the point here, again. The POINT is you are claiming Paul gave a commandment that forbids women to teach and preach (though Paul does not say preach) and Paul also said to greet each other with a kiss. So your evaluation of what is a commandment of God we have to keep is inconsistent and subjective
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The kiss question doesn't relegate the whole bible to not being relevant today. What it does do is prove that some commands in the new testament were given because of culture. Does this proof directly map over into the arena of women preachers? Nope. But it still provides us with a principle that opens up the possibility that women preachers were banned due to culture.
Exactly!
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Old 02-16-2011, 01:31 PM
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For about the 500th time to you: PROPHECY IS NOT AN EXPOSITION FROM THE SCRIPTURES!!
ROFL...neither is preaching, hasn't anyone ever heard Pentecostal preaching?

Yet Paul says that prophecy is so we can LEARN and be edified.
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Old 02-16-2011, 01:35 PM
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There's no logical fallacy here -- what are you talking about?

Prax's point is that there are some things "commanded" as a way of culture. You can refute why 1 Tim 2 is not to be refuted as cultural, but Prax's point is a legitimate point to interact on IMO.
Amen. That is exactly the whole point. It's worth examining and it does go towards something I said earlier about Paul saying "I do not permit" rather than "The Lord does not permit"

1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
1Co 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
1Co 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.


It also goes towards Paul's stance on slavery. Rather than tell slave owners to release all his slaves he instead told them how to treat each other
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

I just checked. Yep. I still believe in women preachers.

and the local one trick poney is still trying out his trick

dude, we didnt clap for you the first time, why do you expect us to after attempt number 500?
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Should we start a new thread on "women pastors?"
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Should we start a new thread on "women pastors?"
are you kidding! this is Caston's Opus.

this thread like Caesars deeds live long after him! LOL!
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