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11-17-2007, 03:22 PM
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"One Mind...OneAccord"
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Missing the point. Pagans do it too/
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Yep...NewWine missed the point.
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11-17-2007, 04:00 PM
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"One Mind...OneAccord"
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Actually, the point was reinforced, rather than missed. Hannah, in effect, "Judized" (if thats a word) a practice that pre-dates the nation of Israel. Babies being "offered" to various gods , was [racticed in Egypt and other nations long before Israel came into existence. Perhaps the Jews learned this practice from the Egyptians while in captivity. At any rate...this is a clear example of "pagan" rituals and practices being "Christianized.
In our part of the country, Halloween is slowly being "Christianized". Churches here encourage children to dress up as Bible characters and are given "treats" for doing good deeds. I think thats an EXCELLENT idea! Can't see how anything we do to teach children to be kind and help people can be pagan.
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"Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him...." -Psa. 37:7
Waiting for the Lord is easy... Waiting patiently? Not so much.
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11-17-2007, 08:37 PM
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Matthew 7:6
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Originally Posted by Rico
The difference is that the Bible clearly warns against adopting pagan practices and then doing them unto the Lord. If Christmas had no connection whatsoever to Jesus then I wouldn't have such an issue against it. God doesn't have a birthday and the only thing He said to do in remembrance of Him was communion, not set a day aside to celebrate the day He came to Earth as a man. He certainly never gave instructions to anyone to take pagan practices and call them Christian, as some method to win more converts. Any way I look at it, celebrating Christmas as a Christian holiday blatently goes against God's Word.
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Well...
I don't know if you've really contemplated what scriptures like Rom 14:5-6, 1Co 8:4-8, Col 2:16-17 etc really mean. I'm not going to go into trying to expound on what these scriptures are saying. Their meaning is pretty clear. How much you want to take them to heart and apply them is another matter.
But it's clear to me that there's a biblical principle here you're really not grasping, or maybe just not applying.
Anyway...I'll just say this: I think you need to be careful, and not judge the Lord's servants. If you have a conviction against celebrating Christmas, then simply don't observe it.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
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11-17-2007, 08:40 PM
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Matthew 7:6
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
POTD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very well said, OneAccord!
And this, ladies and gentlemen, should be the end of the matter!
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Yeah, dream on! :O)
There will never be an end of this matter. People will be arguing about this till Jesus comes.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
I'm T France, and I approved this message.
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11-17-2007, 08:45 PM
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Matthew 7:6
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Let me ask this...
If a pagan goes into the city square at 1 am and worships his God...
And then I decide to go the the same city square at 1 am and worship MY God...
... am I committing a pagan practice by doing that?
(Rhetorical question, of course) 
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
I'm T France, and I approved this message.
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11-17-2007, 11:58 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Let me ask this...
If a pagan goes into the city square at 1 am and worships his God...
And then I decide to go the the same city square at 1 am and worship MY God...
... am I committing a pagan practice by doing that?
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No it's called a coincidence, but if a pagan goes to the city square and worships his god at 1 AM and you go there at the same time and decide to copy the pagan's tradition of going to the city square and you then induct that tradition into Christianity, you also get your followers to go to the same city square always at 1 AM and teach that all of your followers must also teach future converts the same thing?
Well then, I would say that you are practicing a pagan tradition disguised as a Christian one.
Oh and also, the pagans who regonize their tradition, which you stole from them, have no respect for you.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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11-18-2007, 08:00 AM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Yeah, dream on! :O)
There will never be an end of this matter. People will be arguing about this till Jesus comes.
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Lol, I know - we argue it every year here on FCF/NFCF/AFF!
It just kind of livens the days up a bit.
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11-18-2007, 08:06 AM
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Registered Member
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Lol, I know - we argue it every year here on FCF/NFCF/AFF!
It just kind of livens the days up a bit.
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The place almost wouldnt feel right if no one was arguing about this! LOL
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11-18-2007, 08:52 AM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Argument is good and by argument we use logic to present our case for what we believe. There are some who resort to rhetoric in the attempt to sway opinion by the use of emotion, i.e. "my mother was a preacher and she won thousands," "I have seen millions receive the Holy Ghost while watching veggie toons," I saw a homeless man receive the Holy Ghost with tongues, when he walked by a pine tree decked with jewelry on Xmas eve", and last but not least, "I saw a preacher pray for this man who was wearing overalls and had rotten teeth and after he was prayed for, he had a mouth full of gold fillings."
By the use of emotional rhetoric one may think he or she can sway opinion to their cause, but it only lasts until the next individual comes along with a better tear jerker, or urban legend to send the puzzled student off on the next rabbit trail.
Logic and reason go a long way, it's sad how some might say they use it, but in practice they're constantly using emotional rhetoric.
Call the Holy Day what it really is, a Roman Catholic feast day borrowed from Persian Mithraites.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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11-18-2007, 08:57 AM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Argument is good and by argument we use logic to present our case for what we believe. There are some who resort to rhetoric in the attempt to sway opinion by the use of emotion, i.e. "my mother was a preacher and she won thousands," "I have seen millions receive the Holy Ghost while watching veggie toons," I saw a homeless man receive the Holy Ghost with tongues, when he walked by a pine tree decked with jewelry on Xmas eve", and last but not least, "I saw a preacher pray for this man who was wearing overalls and had rotten teeth and after he was prayed for, he had a mouth full of gold fillings."
By the use of emotional rhetoric one may think he or she can sway opinion to their cause, but it only lasts until the next individual comes along with a better tear jerker, or urban legend to send the puzzled student off on the next rabbit trail.
Logic and reason go a long way, it's sad how some might say they use it, but in practice they're constantly using emotional rhetoric.
Call the Holy Day what it really is, a Roman Catholic feast day borrowed from Persian Mithraites.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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EB, I asked you this question earlier in the thread, and forgive me if I overlooked your answer, but if you would be so kind as to respond again -
Do you believe this is a salvational issue? If a Christian decorates a tree, exchanges gifts, listens to Christmas carols, etc. do you believe they will go to hell?
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