Celebrity Preachers

[Rhoni]

Interesting indeed.

Originally Posted by josh

On a side note...I have a very high class evangelist coming to preach for me in September. I've been preaching out as much as possible this summer so I can afford his extravagant demands.

Now that I've seen him on this thread I'm getting pretty worried. By the time he gets here he might actually expect to be paid something.

OP is in trouble now!

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

I'd be more interested in Kenneth Haney's salary and annual love offerings. Does anyone know? I'd bet it would be much easier to find out about Billy Graham's than it would Kenneth Haney's. Whadayathink?

Wonder what you would get if you were to just walk up to him and ask him this question?

Think you would get a long blank stare?

This is an issue I have a problem with in regards to UPCI and their policy on headquarters personnel receiving offerings. It's my understanding that they get an executive salary, but also get to keep whatever offerings they receive when preaching out.

It was always my position that any honorariums received for representing UPCI should go into the department they represent, not to the individual. Has this policy changed in recent years?

In the ACOP all honorariums received by our GS go into the General Account. The same is true with other departments.

I know they use to make the UPCI missionaries pay 15% to HQ when they receieve offerings and PIM's while deputizing. It may be 18% now. I think that is very wrong. Missionaries need there money more than HQ unless Im highly mistaken.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Fonix

I know they use to make the UPCI missionaries pay 15% to HQ when they receieve offerings and PIM's while deputizing. It may be 18% now. I think that is very wrong. Missionaries need there money more than HQ unless Im highly mistaken.

There are legitimate overhead expenses involved in running the Foreign Missions division of the UPCI. I woudl imagine that is why they take a cut of the offerings and PIM's.

I seriously doubt they are just doing it to keep money from missionaries!!

[rrford]

Originally Posted by CC1

There are legitimate overhead expenses involved in running the Foreign Missions division of the UPCI. I woudl imagine that is why they take a cut of the offerings and PIM's.

I seriously doubt they are just doing it to keep money from missionaries!!

A percentage of the offerings a FM receives in a District is returned to the District as a booking fee. This allows the District FM department to operate as it is, for the most part, its only income. This money is used to pay the expenses of scheduling missionaries that are on deputation and other related expenses.

Originally Posted by rrford

A percentage of the offerings a FM receives in a District is returned to the District as a booking fee. This allows the District FM department to operate as it is, for the most part, its only income. This money is used to pay the expenses of scheduling missionaries that are on deputation and other related expenses.

I realize there is a reason and it is for overhead expenses but wouldnt it be better to be able to take it from some other place than actually from the missionaries? To me that is a large percentage. Maybe Im wrong and just dont understand how much $ it takes. Im never above saying Im the wrong one.

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

This is an issue I have a problem with in regards to UPCI and their policy on headquarters personnel receiving offerings. It's my understanding that they get an executive salary, but also get to keep whatever offerings they receive when preaching out.

It was always my position that any honorariums received for representing UPCI should go into the department they represent, not to the individual. Has this policy changed in recent years?

In the ACOP all honorariums received by our GS go into the General Account. The same is true with other departments.

I'm not sure. I doubt it though. Old habits are hard to break sometimes.

At one new church building dedication several years ago, the then GS received a $10,000.00 "love offering" for the one night service. I have to admit he did preach a good message though. I still have the tape.

So, I did a little arithmetic. If I could preach at least one church dedication per week, at the rate of 10k per dedication, in one year. That would be 520K per year. Man! What a racket. That would be better than Loan Sharking and less dangerous too.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by rrford

A percentage of the offerings a FM receives in a District is returned to the District as a booking fee. This allows the District FM department to operate as it is, for the most part, its only income. This money is used to pay the expenses of scheduling missionaries that are on deputation and other related expenses.

Wonder what that would be other than perhaps long distance fees???

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Fonix

I realize there is a reason and it is for overhead expenses but wouldnt it be better to be able to take it from some other place than actually from the missionaries? To me that is a large percentage. Maybe Im wrong and just dont understand how much $ it takes. Im never above saying Im the wrong one.

Where exactly would you take it from then? Last time I checked the UPCI does not have the authority to tax people or make them give offerings.

A primary mechanism by which missionaries raise money for their effort which includes the support of the foreign missions department at HQ is them traveling around raising support through one time offerings and PIM's.

You are trying to artificially seperate the missionary from the foregin missions department.